Garry Newman of Rust and Garry's Mod regrets supporting Linux

Wow, he don't know how to stay as a professional.
As the PC market is always changing, he never knows who is customers will be.. he might one day rely on Linux customers.

I am glad I haven't bought any of his shit and the crystal ball says I probably never will.
And that I will pass on to my friends and family and so and so..

Gary Newman, wow I really liked his song "Cars" in the 80's.

View video on youtube.com

Ironic that song is about somebody who is scared to leave the safety of his car and venture out into the world. I guess "Windows" is Gary's car

.Also Gary looks like he is from outer space in the future, you would think he would be an independent, progressive thinker, not someone who is pro establishment.

In the end, what he thinks or doesn't think isn't important to me. He's just one small indie dev who happened to make a reasonably successful game. There are hundreds more like him out there and more joining in on supporting Linux each day. I suppose they wouldn't do that if they wouldn't see some sort of benefit in doing it. I would be worried if Gary's company would be the only one making Linux games, be it's not. We see so much support these days that we can just go buy something else. *shrug*

I've been playing Rust since October 2014, and I realize it's still under development, but it's been a real frustrating experience on many levels. Don't get me wrong, the game can be fun, but it's very flawed, and those flaws need to be addressed. Garry has published a developer map showing where the game should be going, but progress has been slow, and curve balls have been thrown. I don't feel that the developer map has been followed closely enough, and not all of the "surprises" have been welcome ones. When Garry has been confronted by the community, he's pushed back and chastised. It might be a defense mechanism where he might not necessarily have the resources to address a specific issue at a given time, and just does not admit any particular weaknesses in his team. We'll see how it all plays out. I have high hopes for Rust, but I think we're a few years away from seeing the game reach maturity.

Quoting: reaVerYou attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion.
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If he has legitimate complaints about the platform, let him state them openly so that we can either debunk or help resolve the issue. Other than that, just leave it; the market will sort him out, just like it did for Id Software.

Forgive my presumption, but it seems like you're trying to have things both ways. For my part, Garry's opinions and his statements of the same are the reason I don't buy his games. He has presented himself to me as someone with which I simply do not wish to do business. Said another way, his character is entirely the issue with what I assume to be quite a number of people.

I'm not for character assassination and infantile remarks taking the place of good argumentation. And while I haven't witnessed anyone here on GoL doing it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone of his dubious popularity in the Linux community drew some fire. However, his PR chops are lacking, and he suffers from foot-in-mouth disease. The reactions to the things he says about Linux simply are not unprovoked.

In summary, what you're seeing is precisely the market sorting him out (ditto for Team Meat).

Quoting: reaVerYou attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

I didn't see a character attack? The editorial points out prior attitudes expressed by the developer and if that sounds like a character assassination, it's because Garry has a terrible prior record regarding expressing his feelings about this small portion of his paying customers.

Quoting: reaVerI'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

Let's be clear here - this article doesn't "add" anything. It's reports on Garry's already public statements. Considering the editorial in question is by a paying customer, I'd say the tone was remarkably calm. This article isn't the catalyst here. Garry does that bit all by himself.

But this is the bit that really gets my goat (and love the irony that he says thsi right after "I'm not trolling" ). Garry says:

QuoteWe get shit because we don't properly support linux because it makes up less than 1% of our audience. We get a lot of negativity from the linux community because we don't spend as much time testing on it as we do on Windows.

Let's read that again, because it's so true. "We get shit because we don't properly support Linux". So we're somehow, in the eyes of Facepunch, expected to

a) Pay the same as Windows customers; but
b) Suck up an inferior experience regardless, because Facepunch IN THEIR OWN WORDS can't be bothered to properly support Linux.

Unbelievable.


Last edited by scaine on 28 January 2016 at 7:19 pm UTC

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: reaVerYou attacked the characteristics of the author rather than his opinion or the basis of his opinion. While according to the disagreement pyramid, it is not namecalling, the explanatory note explains it may as well be. It doesn't constitute to the argument in one way or another and will only validate him (at least to himself).

I didn't see a character attack? The editorial points out prior attitudes expressed by the developer and if that sounds like a character assassination, it's because Garry has a terrible prior record regarding expressing his feelings about this small portion of his paying customers.

Quoting: reaVerI'm not going to defend the guy for what he has said, but as a company employee I've also had my experiences with a very hostile GNU community. You adding to this, will not help in the slightest. I can understand you're passionate about the platform and the direction it has been going into. But occasionally; just calm down a little.

Let's be clear here - this article doesn't "add" anything. It's reports on Garry's already public statements. Considering the editorial in question is by a paying customer, I'd say the tone was remarkably calm. This article isn't the catalyst here. Garry does that bit all by himself.

But this is the bit that really gets my goat (and love the irony that he says thsi right after "I'm not trolling" ). Garry says:

QuoteWe get shit because we don't properly support linux because it makes up less than 1% of our audience. We get a lot of negativity from the linux community because we don't spend as much time testing on it as we do on Windows.

Let's read that again, because it's so true. "We get shit because we don't properly support Linux". So we're somehow, in the eyes of Facepunch, expected to

a) Pay the same as Windows customers; but
b) Suck up an inferior experience regardless, because Facepunch IN THEIR OWN WORDS can't be bothered to properly support Linux.

Unbelievable.

I did read the other stuff, but this is the best reply I had, so I'm replying to this.
I wanted to quote, but it seems the original article has been changed. It now looks a lot more of something that people can draw their opinions from rather than being told what to think. The attack was there in the sense that it's just another of his stupid remarks that should not be listened to. Like "it's just him".

Now however, since I see the full quote, I can understand where he is coming from. As an employee I can understand that resources are limited: while good employees tend to bring in productiveness for pay, they are limited in their time and even mental condition. So there will always be a problem regarding resources. I think that as a community, we should be more understanding of this fact. They cannot put the same amount of focus in the Linux parts of their games in comparison to for example windows. They SHOULD however, allow us to report bugs and they should fix them. If they do that, I don't think a negative attitude is warranted, a lot of developers are still new to Linux and they will need our help to gain the necessary experience. It's quite unlike the more mainstream OSes where experience has been accumulated in a span of over 20 years.

I will say at this point, that TheBoss (and others on this site) have been fair to developers whenever possible. Dying Light was a shining example of a game that started out like crap and got better as time went on. And as it became more and more playable this site gave people the greenlight that the game was actually worth their money. I think that is something this site should do and if developers are put off by stuff like that than so be it; that's their loss in the long run.

Electric Prism, self important billionaire, regrets not withholding monies from Garry Newman, developer of Rust and Garry's Mod.

By all means boycott bad products and shoddily constructed games suchas Rust and Gary's Mod Linux version/


Last edited by ElectricPrism on 29 January 2016 at 6:56 am UTC