This Heroes of Newerth benchmark video shows SteamOS as the clear winner

Wow great :), i thought that Arma 3 was just a one hit wonder. But this is rly glorious.

My play, sorry for feed :D BTW. thanks for made benchmark and share video.

Imo HoN has been always developed with OpenGL in mind, so no wonder. Sad to see that, though this is a great example of well developed game, most of the games that get ported to linux still suck performance-wise.
Ok, "suck" might be a bit harsh, but when you max your games out and get 30-50% performance degration on linux, it's still bad-as-balls.

Lets hope that more developers learn from this and if not optimize their ports, then at least start new projects with OpenGL/Vulkan in mind for better performance for us all. Why would someone even think about DX API when the other options are cross-platform and can out-perform the first when enough care is given? Sure, it might be a hell-of-a-more difficult, but taking on such challenge first will give the devs better life in the long run imo.

Ok, enough about this rant. Hope I didn't hit someone's nerves with it... if I did - I apologise! :P

QuoteShame the community in that game is utterly terrible

It's hard to be upset at this fact once you realize this is just human nature in a high-investment, high-risk environment. The people who play MOBA games are as "toxic" as any other but the difference is that MOBA game design fans the flames much more intensely.

Oh, and the fact that these games skew to a younger demographic certainly doesn't help either.

Whaatt does HoN work on linux :O?
I hade no idea! Im gonna have to try this.
Good to see Linux in the lead when it comes to perfomence aswell :).


Last edited by Zelox on 10 April 2016 at 9:24 pm UTC

Quoting: DamonLinuxPLMy play, sorry for feed :D BTW. thanks for made benchmark and share video.

So you're the "Angry Penguin" ? :)

MOBAs are games that inherently lead to flaming and toxicity, it's built into the very nature of the game genre. The same things that make MOBAs so exciting and compelling to watch (I find MOBAs, more specifically DotA 2, far and away the most compelling eSports to watch), also make the games extremely stressful and make players prone to fits and outbursts. It's because it's a team game where 4 other players are depending on you to not **** up. The structure of MOBAs is such that no single player can carry a game all on their own (though a stellar individual performance can certainly help a team), but a single player making mistakes can absolutely sink their entire team.

Jonathan Blow would not believe this!

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/718924690035576832

Quoting: KeyrockMOBAs are games that inherently lead to flaming and toxicity, it's built into the very nature of the game genre. The same things that make MOBAs so exciting and compelling to watch (I find MOBAs, more specifically DotA 2, far and away the most compelling eSports to watch), also make the games extremely stressful and make players prone to fits and outbursts. It's because it's a team game where 4 other players are depending on you to not **** up. The structure of MOBAs is such that no single player can carry a game all on their own (though a stellar individual performance can certainly help a team), but a single player making mistakes can absolutely sink their entire team.

The Leagues comunity are really great now adays. I rarly get in to a game with a flamer, and if I do just ignor it and report it.
And if u find that hard just mute it.

And sometimes there is trash talk just for the lols, you cant take its personaly or seriusly.
I think you should give it a go, mobas are really fun just be humble to other players and you are going to have alot of fun ^^.
Flamers are often kids who have been sipping on to mutch Fanta :P. Its the suger rush u know, and hormones.

Or maybe mobas just dont appeal to you.
I also think you have got the wrong first imperssion on mobas.

Quoting: Zelox

Quoting: KeyrockMOBAs are games that inherently lead to flaming and toxicity, it's built into the very nature of the game genre. The same things that make MOBAs so exciting and compelling to watch (I find MOBAs, more specifically DotA 2, far and away the most compelling eSports to watch), also make the games extremely stressful and make players prone to fits and outbursts. It's because it's a team game where 4 other players are depending on you to not **** up. The structure of MOBAs is such that no single player can carry a game all on their own (though a stellar individual performance can certainly help a team), but a single player making mistakes can absolutely sink their entire team.

The Leagues comunity are really great now adays. I rarly get in to a game with a flamer, and if I do just ignor it and report it.
And if u find that hard just mute it.

And sometimes there is trash talk just for the lols, you cant take its personaly or seriusly.
I think you should give it a go, mobas are really fun just be humble to other players and you are going to have alot of fun ^^.
Flamers are often kids who have been sipping on to mutch Fanta :P. Its the suger rush u know, and hormones.

Or maybe mobas just dont appeal to you.
I also think you have got the wrong first imperssion on mobas.

Well, I lasted less than an hour in Leagues. I am used to the internet being a rough place but Leagues was extreme even by internet standards. I have never seen such an immature, rude and toxic "community" in my entire life and I have no desire to repeat that experience either. I am not sure what exactly causes MOBAs to attract entire armies of douchebags. The genre otherwise seems to be interesting. But I would really rip out my toe nails than spending one more minute with complete jerks like the ones I met in that game.
And make no mistake - there is no excuse for being a jerk online. "It's just a game" doesn't count and neither does "hormones". No matter what excuses are used, a person trash talking others is a moron, is a moron, is a moron. Period. Even the commonly used "It's the internet!" is just another expression for "I am actually a rude idiot and the Internet's anonymity finally gives me the opportunity to be my true self." It's laughable when these people try to indicate that they are actually nice in real life. The online world is just a part of real life, not a different reality. You can't be an asshole in one part and a nice person in the other. These people need to stop lying to themselves. If you don't want to be a jerk, then don't be a jerk.

Quoting: ZeloxThe Leagues comunity are really great now adays. I rarly get in to a game with a flamer, and if I do just ignor it and report it.
And if u find that hard just mute it.

And sometimes there is trash talk just for the lols, you cant take its personaly or seriusly.
I think you should give it a go, mobas are really fun just be humble to other players and you are going to have alot of fun ^^.
Flamers are often kids who have been sipping on to mutch Fanta :P. Its the suger rush u know, and hormones.

Or maybe mobas just dont appeal to you.
I also think you have got the wrong first imperssion on mobas.

It's not a first impression, I've played plenty of them. And yes, LoL is less toxic than HoN and definitely less toxic than DotA 2 (though still definitely not as rosy as you make it out to be), and I think that stems from the game being significantly less complicated. I don't mean that as being necessarily a bad thing, LoL was specifically designed to be less complicated than DotA. As a player that's appreciated and I'm more likely to play LoL than DotA because it's a less complicated game and something I'm more likely to be able to handle. The flip side is that it makes the game less compelling for me to watch. I like watching DotA 2 because it's incredibly complicated and difficult. It may be the most complicated game ever made. Anyone can pick it up and play it, but to get good at it is daunting. Even the top level pros, I'm talking players on tier 1 teams, don't know all the interactions in the game. That makes it fun for me to watch but super stressful to play, whereas I find LoL less stressful to play but much less compelling to watch.


Last edited by Keyrock on 10 April 2016 at 10:57 pm UTC

Quoting: Keyrock

Quoting: ZeloxThe Leagues comunity are really great now adays. I rarly get in to a game with a flamer, and if I do just ignor it and report it.
And if u find that hard just mute it.

And sometimes there is trash talk just for the lols, you cant take its personaly or seriusly.
I think you should give it a go, mobas are really fun just be humble to other players and you are going to have alot of fun ^^.
Flamers are often kids who have been sipping on to mutch Fanta :P. Its the suger rush u know, and hormones.

Or maybe mobas just dont appeal to you.
I also think you have got the wrong first imperssion on mobas.

It's not a first impression, I've played plenty of them. And yes, LoL is less toxic than HoN and definitely less toxic than DotA 2 (though still definitely not as rosy as you make it out to be), and I think that stems from the game being significantly less complicated. I don't mean that as being necessarily a bad thing, LoL was specifically designed to be less complicated than DotA. As a player that's appreciated and I'm more likely to play LoL than DotA because it's a less complicated game and something I'm more likely to be able to handle. The flip side is that it makes the game less compelling for me to watch. I like watching DotA 2 because it's incredibly complicated and difficult. It may be the most complicated game ever made. Anyone can pick it up and play it, but to get good at it is daunting. Even the top level pros, I'm talking players on tier 1 teams, don't know all the interactions in the game. That makes it fun for me to watch but super stressful to play, whereas I find LoL less stressful to play but much less compelling to watch.

Hmm well you seem to have the experience then. But I have to say there are rarly flamers now a days.
Or maybe Im just lucky. But Im also playing alot in premade teams, with players I know in IRL and players Iv meet in game.
And as u said before its a team game, and you are expected to fill a roll for your team. And if your not there for them some players tend to flame, but that rarly solves anything. Or calling someone out for feeding isnt helping at all, better to just ignor those players and report them.

And I dont know if Im on a very very low lvl in dota, I know its alot more complicated.
But I find the gameplay to slow, but maybe there i more stuff going on under the surface of the game.
I tend to stick with league just because its faster and more strate forward, if u know what I mean.
Or I guess its easyer to undstand.

My point is anyway, I dont find mobas to be so toxic.
But there are jerks out there I have to agree on that.

Quoting: KimyrielleIf you don't want to be a jerk, then don't be a jerk.

Im not saying its ok to be rude, or ok for someone to be rude just because its the internet or a game.
I agree with you on that totaly.
Be nice, flaming rarly never helps eather, it only makes stuff worse. And gives other a bad experince and a losing game :(.


Last edited by Zelox on 11 April 2016 at 12:00 am UTC

Quoting: KeyrockThe structure of MOBAs is such that no single player can carry a game all on their own.

You just let the cat out of the bag that you play League and not DOTA, your statement is true in League, but in DOTA I've seen a single player wipe out the enemy team many times.

This is actually one reason that League sucks because when you're a high level riot matchmaking pits 1-2 high levels and noobs against the same level team.

In DOTA, a single player who gets enough gold can avalanche really easily after executing several tp ganks well.

This is because of the many superior mechanics in DOTA, like the consequence of gold loss on death, Stuns and Knockups last much longer in DOTA and the Death Timer in DOTA keeps you dead much longer which is balanced with every hero being able to buyback from death once every so often.

Of course League would attract trashy troll players, 99% of the characters are as close to anime porn as you can get, of course teens and tweens are moody and toxic. With DOTA this is not nearly as big a issue.

Once again superior game mechanics suchas being able to mute other players, pause the game when you need to go use the toilet quickly.

The only animosity you'll find on DOTA is if you are below the age of 20 and have a headset on as DOTA players tend to have a higher median of about 30 years old and hate on teens to keep them away from their precious kid-free game.

This is no infomercial - if you play league please don't play DOTA. It's hard. You will suck for a while as you get used to new things like fog of war and turn rate mechanics, and the courier, etc... etc... etc..

I just find it funny to be on a Linux blog and see MOBA info generalised about a game that's Windows only. HoN errs more on the side of DOTA, if you want LOL on Linux try Strife on Steam by the same people who make HoN.

Quoting: ZeloxHmm well you seem to have the experience then. But I have to say there are rarly flamers now a days.

Y`all do know that in League of Legends they disabled All Chat right, so the communications by default are only from your team. Not to mention that players make lots of new accounts to take advantage of the bad matchmaking system and noob stomp the lower levels for fun right? Just checking. :\


Last edited by ElectricPrism on 11 April 2016 at 6:18 am UTC

I've been playing HoN since the closed beta, which was back around 2009 and the Linux performance have been up and down but overall pretty good. At least for Nvidia users (I don't own an AMD card so can't tell).

However, I'm not sure how much I trust these benchmarks. I've been running this game in both Linux and Windows (and I still am) and it feels like I always have slightly better performance in Windows 10, especially when I look at the fps. To be fair, I don't run SteamOS, but I really doubt that the difference is huge when running on the same driver. I guess I'll just have benchmark this myself to find out.

In Serious Sam 3 on Linux you will be always the first one on the server, at least in coop that was the case. So it seems to have quicker loading times :)

Quoting: coesetaIn Serious Sam 3 on Linux you will be always the first one on the server, at least in coop that was the case. So it seems to have quicker loading times :)

I could never enjoy SS3 due to poor performance even on a highend nvidia card. Not sure why, it had decent fps but there was lot of juddering during gameplay.

it's always great to see a bench where Linux nails Window$.
at least some hardcore Micro$oft groupies may re-think their OS superiority in some cases.
some of them may even think that this superiority is purely based on the closed-platform DirectX..
maybe i'm asking too much..

many thanks to dubigrasu/airspeedmph for the always outstanding video content!!
keep it up bro :)

I wonder why their opengl renderer runs so fast compared to other engines.

Quoting: subJonathan Blow would not believe this!

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/718924690035576832

So valve released benchmarks (in plural)? LOL, this is how misinformation starts

I'm not surprised, [S2]Slacker did a fantastic job of sorting out some OGL usage in HoN quite some time ago (when S2 owned HoN).
I need to find the threads where he was testing out the stuff but it was silly good improvements.

Wow, good to see.

Another Linux-beating-Windows benchmark, this time on Vulkan:
https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Win10-Linux-Vulkan-Early


Last edited by sarmad on 11 April 2016 at 6:26 pm UTC