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This is sad to see. A new benchmark video for Windows and Linux using Dota 2 actually shows Windows doing quite a lot better than Linux.
I spoke to the person who did it on twitter, he mentioned both Windows/Linux were done in borderless fullscreen mode. The Linux Nvidia driver was 367.17, while Windows used 368.25. As for AMD Windows used 16.5.3, while Ubuntu used amdgpu-pro.
I said before plenty of times that Vulkan will not be some magical bullet to bring Linux performance up on par with Windows. There can be problems elsewhere contributing to the performance drop on Linux. It could be X11, it could be a compositor issue, it could be lots of things.
I'm certainly no expert in these issues, but seeing Vulkan perform worse than OpenGL at 4K on Linux was quite disappointing to me. At least in lower resolutions Vulkan was performing better than OpenGL on Linux. The major issue is just how much faster Windows is with Vulkan than Linux.
What are your thoughts, any theories? Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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I spoke to the person who did it on twitter, he mentioned both Windows/Linux were done in borderless fullscreen mode. The Linux Nvidia driver was 367.17, while Windows used 368.25. As for AMD Windows used 16.5.3, while Ubuntu used amdgpu-pro.
I said before plenty of times that Vulkan will not be some magical bullet to bring Linux performance up on par with Windows. There can be problems elsewhere contributing to the performance drop on Linux. It could be X11, it could be a compositor issue, it could be lots of things.
I'm certainly no expert in these issues, but seeing Vulkan perform worse than OpenGL at 4K on Linux was quite disappointing to me. At least in lower resolutions Vulkan was performing better than OpenGL on Linux. The major issue is just how much faster Windows is with Vulkan than Linux.
What are your thoughts, any theories? Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: GuestQuoting: liamdaweQuoting: mr-egg@Liam it would be nice to get some testing between the two from some people on here who have both OS. Or in some performance articles because if we always take our benchmarks from Phoronix or the MSM gaming press there probably never going to be right.As much as I would like to, it is very time consuming especially when I myself don't know the first thing about the Dota 2 command line benchmark tool.
If someone can PM me with details on how to do it easily, with a really heavy scene, then I can look at running a test on my 980ti on OpenGL, Vulkan across Windows and Linux myself.
This looks like a pretty reliable ... "Source". ;)
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/vulkan/873770-nvidia-vs-amd-opengl-vulkan-benchmarks-with-valve-s-dota-2?p=873909#post873909
(Sorry, wasn't sure how to PM you. Also thought others might take up the challenge.)
So the guy from Valve gave this:
dota2 [-vulkan | -gl] +timedemo OctPerf +timedemo_start 46800 +timedemo_end 47000 +cl_showfps 2 +fps_max 0 -novconsole -noassert -nosound
I have downloaded the demo file he provided too, but where do I run that command exactly?
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you have to put the file provided into the replay folder, renaming the file to a number.
Then it will show in "downloads" tab at "watch".
Then it will show in "downloads" tab at "watch".
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Quoting: STiATyou have to put the file provided into the replay folder, renaming the file to a number.Valve specifically gave that commmand I posted above to Phoronix, which seems different to running it inside Dota itself?
Then it will show in "downloads" tab at "watch".
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As this is a CPU limited benchmark, I would be interrested to see a screenshot of "perf top" while it runs, to get an idea what the CPU is working on.
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Mountain Man Jun 15, 2016
Quoting: Mohandevir...Besides...I'm not a big fan of OSX or Apple in general, but I do know in my experience that it's far more stable and reliable than Windows. Our Windows machines at my job are always a mess while OSX always "just works". I can't tell you how many times we've solved a problem with a Windows computer by replacing it with a Mac.
Slice of life:
I'm working for a CAD company and we just upgraded our workstations to Win10... Not new workstations. Just a full and clean Win10 reinstall...
Conclusion:
if the situation apllies to gaming too, I can live with lower fps if it permits to avoid loads of BSODs... Crap! I've never seen that much BSODs in my entire life! Not one workstation... On all worksations with diffrent hardware configurations ranging from i7-2600 to i7-4790 with quadro gpus. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!
End of slice of life, but still funny. :)
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Quoting: liamdaweQuoting: STiATyou have to put the file provided into the replay folder, renaming the file to a number.Valve specifically gave that commmand I posted above to Phoronix, which seems different to running it inside Dota itself?
Then it will show in "downloads" tab at "watch".
It's simply the launch options of dota2
In Steam you can right-click dota2, and select "Set launch options" in the "General" tab.
Note that [-vulkan|-gl] is an OR, so either one or the other into the line (both won't work).
So for Vulkan set the launch options to:
-vulkan +timedemo OctPerf +timedemo_start 46800 +timedemo_end 47000 +cl_showfps 2 +fps_max 0 -novconsole -noassert -nosound
For OpenGL to
-gl +timedemo OctPerf +timedemo_start 46800 +timedemo_end 47000 +cl_showfps 2 +fps_max 0 -novconsole -noassert -nosound
Note that you need the OctPerf demo file in the right folder (I think), which I don't have ;-).
Last edited by STiAT on 15 June 2016 at 6:53 pm UTC
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Mountain Man Jun 15, 2016
Quoting: ElectricPrismIt seems only fair to run the tests on SteamOS in my opinion. Seriously Ubuntu is trashUbuntu is fine. It's not the problem here.
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Mohandevir Jun 15, 2016
Quoting: Mountain ManQuoting: Mohandevir...Besides...I'm not a big fan of OSX or Apple in general, but I do know in my experience that it's far more stable and reliable than Windows. Our Windows machines at my job are always a mess while OSX always "just works". I can't tell you how many times we've solved a problem with a Windows computer by replacing it with a Mac.
Slice of life:
I'm working for a CAD company and we just upgraded our workstations to Win10... Not new workstations. Just a full and clean Win10 reinstall...
Conclusion:
if the situation apllies to gaming too, I can live with lower fps if it permits to avoid loads of BSODs... Crap! I've never seen that much BSODs in my entire life! Not one workstation... On all worksations with diffrent hardware configurations ranging from i7-2600 to i7-4790 with quadro gpus. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!
End of slice of life, but still funny. :)
Thanks but unfortunately, SolidWorks is Windows only.
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Mountain Man Jun 15, 2016
Quoting: MohandevirI wasn't offering my anecdote as a solution but just another "slice of life".Quoting: Mountain ManQuoting: Mohandevir...Besides...I'm not a big fan of OSX or Apple in general, but I do know in my experience that it's far more stable and reliable than Windows. Our Windows machines at my job are always a mess while OSX always "just works". I can't tell you how many times we've solved a problem with a Windows computer by replacing it with a Mac.
Slice of life:
I'm working for a CAD company and we just upgraded our workstations to Win10... Not new workstations. Just a full and clean Win10 reinstall...
Conclusion:
if the situation apllies to gaming too, I can live with lower fps if it permits to avoid loads of BSODs... Crap! I've never seen that much BSODs in my entire life! Not one workstation... On all worksations with diffrent hardware configurations ranging from i7-2600 to i7-4790 with quadro gpus. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!
End of slice of life, but still funny. :)
Thanks but unfortunately, SolidWorks is Windows only.
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Quoting: STiATI gathered as much, but doing that acts as if I haven't put any options in. I have the OctPerf file in the replays folder.Quoting: liamdaweQuoting: STiATyou have to put the file provided into the replay folder, renaming the file to a number.Valve specifically gave that commmand I posted above to Phoronix, which seems different to running it inside Dota itself?
Then it will show in "downloads" tab at "watch".
It's simply the launch options of dota2
In Steam you can right-click dota2, and select "Set launch options" in the "General" tab.
Note that [-vulkan|-gl] is an OR, so either one or the other into the line (both won't work).
So for Vulkan set the launch options to:
-vulkan +timedemo OctPerf +timedemo_start 46800 +timedemo_end 47000 +cl_showfps 2 +fps_max 0 -novconsole -noassert -nosound
For OpenGL to
-gl +timedemo OctPerf +timedemo_start 46800 +timedemo_end 47000 +cl_showfps 2 +fps_max 0 -novconsole -noassert -nosound
Note that you need the OctPerf demo file in the right folder (I think), which I don't have ;-).
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