After taking on some feedback along with refreshing the graph data today, the User Stats Page now has two different distributions graphs.
The first graph combines all Arch-based and Ubuntu-based distributions, so it's the most accurate graph of the two.
The second is the breakdown between each specific distribution and the spin-offs.
Why do I not include Debian with Ubuntu to have "Debian-based"? Ubuntu is actually quite different package wise to Debian nowadays and Ubuntu has a bunch of spin-offs directly from it. I don't think it's factually fair to lump Debian and Ubuntu together under a debian-based banner.
So, it should satisfy the curiosity of people like me who want to know specifically which spin-off is the most popular, while having the overall and proper distribution graph present first to give the clear overall picture.
I've added some explicit wording to the PC Info section of your User Control Panel to help clear up what people should select too:
Check out the User Stats Page.
Again, if you have suggestions, feel free and if possible (and if time permits) I can implement them. I won't add in all suggestions though of course, as we don't want to completely overload the page. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
The first graph combines all Arch-based and Ubuntu-based distributions, so it's the most accurate graph of the two.
The second is the breakdown between each specific distribution and the spin-offs.
Why do I not include Debian with Ubuntu to have "Debian-based"? Ubuntu is actually quite different package wise to Debian nowadays and Ubuntu has a bunch of spin-offs directly from it. I don't think it's factually fair to lump Debian and Ubuntu together under a debian-based banner.
So, it should satisfy the curiosity of people like me who want to know specifically which spin-off is the most popular, while having the overall and proper distribution graph present first to give the clear overall picture.
I've added some explicit wording to the PC Info section of your User Control Panel to help clear up what people should select too:
QuotePlease make sure you select the exact distro you are using, we seperate things like Ubuntu & Xubuntu, Arch & Manjaro etc.
Check out the User Stats Page.
Again, if you have suggestions, feel free and if possible (and if time permits) I can implement them. I won't add in all suggestions though of course, as we don't want to completely overload the page. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: minjWell SteamOS is debian-based while Manjaro differs more from Arch than Ubuntu spins from Ubuntu. So your grouping seems a bit arbitrary, not that there's a way to both be precise and generic at the same time...So, it seems Manjaro actually uses it's own repositories if I'm researching it correctly, so technically it should be a distro by itself I think?
As for SteamOS, that's quite important to be kept by itself.
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Quoting: liamdaweYes, the repo URLs are different but packages are mostly the same but arrive after additional testing and modifications. There are some distinct manjaro-only packages to increase user-friendliness and ease maintenance, e.g. there are currently a whopping 12 kernel branches available to be installed alongside each other.Quoting: minjWell SteamOS is debian-based while Manjaro differs more from Arch than Ubuntu spins from Ubuntu. So your grouping seems a bit arbitrary, not that there's a way to both be precise and generic at the same time...So, it seems Manjaro actually uses it's own repositories if I'm researching it correctly, so technically it should be a distro by itself I think?
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crazyg4merz Jul 31, 2016
Quoting: liamdaweManjaro has packages developed for their own OS and you can see the packages on the Manjaro github here: https://github.com/manjaro/. So basically, packages from Arch are synced into Manjaro unstable repository daily without syncing the packages Manjaro built for itself. So basically those packages are the kernels (we support a lot of kernels for the users to choose), mhwd (manjaro hardware detection tool), drivers and the modules, steam, a lot of DE those are only available on AUR in Arch are adopted by Manjaro, a lot of popular packages are also adopted from AUR into packages community repo, themes and artworks, pamac and octopi for the package management, installer, etc. So the conclusion is Manjaro is slowly moving far from being Arch just like Linuxmint is moving from being Ubuntu. Btw I'm one of the linux rt kernel maintainer on Manjaro. :)Quoting: minjWell SteamOS is debian-based while Manjaro differs more from Arch than Ubuntu spins from Ubuntu. So your grouping seems a bit arbitrary, not that there's a way to both be precise and generic at the same time...So, it seems Manjaro actually uses it's own repositories if I'm researching it correctly, so technically it should be a distro by itself I think?
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Quoting: crazyg4merzSo essentially, Manjaro is technically a distro by itself now and will move even further away from being "another arch-like" in future?Quoting: liamdaweManjaro has packages developed for their own OS and you can see the packages on the Manjaro github here: https://github.com/manjaro/. So basically, packages from Arch are synced into Manjaro unstable repository daily without syncing the packages Manjaro built for itself. So basically those packages are the kernels (we support a lot of kernels for the users to choose), mhwd (manjaro hardware detection tool), drivers and the modules, steam, a lot of DE those are only available on AUR in Arch are adopted by Manjaro, a lot of popular packages are also adopted from AUR into packages community repo, themes and artworks, pamac and octopi for the package management, installer, etc. So the conclusion is Manjaro is slowly moving far from being Arch just like Linuxmint is moving from being Ubuntu. Btw I'm one of the linux rt kernel maintainer on Manjaro. :)Quoting: minjWell SteamOS is debian-based while Manjaro differs more from Arch than Ubuntu spins from Ubuntu. So your grouping seems a bit arbitrary, not that there's a way to both be precise and generic at the same time...So, it seems Manjaro actually uses it's own repositories if I'm researching it correctly, so technically it should be a distro by itself I think?
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crazyg4merz Jul 31, 2016
Quoting: liamdaweActually it was like this since it was first introduced. Mhwd and multiple kernels support was there on day one it released. But for the rest of the packages, we're still using the packages built by Arch Linux. It's just impossible for Manjaro to stop depending on Arch packages entirely because Manjaro is still done by a small number of people. But like I said before, Manjaro repository is growing bigger and bigger because a lot of popular packages on AUR are adopted, and the existance of community edition of Manjaro are getting bigger and bigger. For example deepin and pantheon are not supported by Arch Linux, but the Manjaro community edition made and maintain the PKGBUILD in the community repository. And also Manjaro has the OpenRC support for those who doesn't want systemd, which is not supported by Arch Linux. So now even if we're still using a lot of packages from Arch, but our repository is bigger than the repository of Arch Linux. But fact is fact, we're still based on Arch Linux no matter how big the differences between Arch and Manjaro as time goes by. :)Quoting: crazyg4merzSo essentially, Manjaro is technically a distro by itself now and will move even further away from being "another arch-like" in future?Quoting: liamdaweManjaro has packages developed for their own OS and you can see the packages on the Manjaro github here: https://github.com/manjaro/. So basically, packages from Arch are synced into Manjaro unstable repository daily without syncing the packages Manjaro built for itself. So basically those packages are the kernels (we support a lot of kernels for the users to choose), mhwd (manjaro hardware detection tool), drivers and the modules, steam, a lot of DE those are only available on AUR in Arch are adopted by Manjaro, a lot of popular packages are also adopted from AUR into packages community repo, themes and artworks, pamac and octopi for the package management, installer, etc. So the conclusion is Manjaro is slowly moving far from being Arch just like Linuxmint is moving from being Ubuntu. Btw I'm one of the linux rt kernel maintainer on Manjaro. :)Quoting: minjWell SteamOS is debian-based while Manjaro differs more from Arch than Ubuntu spins from Ubuntu. So your grouping seems a bit arbitrary, not that there's a way to both be precise and generic at the same time...So, it seems Manjaro actually uses it's own repositories if I'm researching it correctly, so technically it should be a distro by itself I think?
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hardpenguin Jul 31, 2016
I'll throw an old joke: Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning 'I can't configure Debian.'
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It's not really a PC info but I would like to suggest a question á la 'What game shops do you use?'.
Options would be Steam, GOG, Humble Store, Itch.io, Indiegala etc. (multiple answers possible).
With that you would be able to see how popular stores like Itch are compared to Steam :)
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Options would be Steam, GOG, Humble Store, Itch.io, Indiegala etc. (multiple answers possible).
With that you would be able to see how popular stores like Itch are compared to Steam :)
Last edited by Lakorta on 31 July 2016 at 9:03 pm UTC
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Always wondered if we truly need 64vs32 question. Why does it matter?
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Quoting: redshiftAlways wondered if we truly need 64vs32 question. Why does it matter?Of course it matters, to any game developer at least. It shows how important it is to build 64bit binaries.
Quoting: hardpenguinI'll throw an old joke: Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning 'I can't configure Debian.'Well here's a new one: I run Mint (and previously Xubuntu) on my desktops because one day, several years past, I found myself bored of configuring Gentoo. Tweaking my system was fun back when that was pretty much all the fun Linux had to offer. I've found other, more entertaining pastimes since.
Debian's an excellent distribution, and my server distro of choice, but please don't be an elitist, even as a joke. It gets old quickly.
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