Civilization VI for Linux is no longer certain, only a possibility

Quoting: AspyrBlairDangit...grammer fail:/ I've edited to fix that

Good luck with your endeavor, and thanks for Layers of Fear!

I never would have deleted my Windows Partition if I'd known that Civ V might be the last Civ game that I get to play.

Quoting: ExpalphalogI never would have deleted my Windows Partition if I'd known that Civ V might be the last Civ game that I get to play.

I wonder if it will rune on WINE.

I'm quite disappointed, I'm guessing aspyr was hoping steamos would be in a better state than it is right now, with a bigger market share.

There are other difficulties as well, the Linux opengl stack is actively being developed and has moved on to supporting Vulkan. Apple have intentionally stopped supporting openGL and gone to their own proprietary metal api.

Aspyr's loyalty has always been Mac and mac has around 5% market share, if SteamOS had taken off, then they would be porting regardless of how many difficulties they would have to overcome, or fireaxis would have ported directly. Right now to fully support Linux they would need to utilise the latest openGL specs, which they cant do as apple doesn't support it.

We are tiny, with just 1% market share and unfortunately some of us have become a bit self-entitled. We were hungry for every game port and thankful for any decent port, now there are talks of boycotts for any company that doesn't meet our expectations.

I wish people would just chill out, being kind and nice to every developer or porter is better than turning nasty if we dont get our own way. I think the saying goes you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar ( http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+can+catch+more+flies+with+honey+than+with+vinegar)

Ultimately when we are a nice polite community, developers will be more open with us, if we treat them with respect they will treat us with respect. Stop demanding, stop rioting, chill out, be polite approach the developers with a polite and respectful attitude. I am forever grateful for Aspyr porting civ 5, its the game I've played the most on steam since it came to Linux, Both Aspyr and Feral try hard and there really isn't much reward for them porting, having to deal with a spoilt angry community will drive them away.

Our market share isn't making them super rich, but they still port games. I hope some day SteamOs does take off and I hope Linux can break free from the shackles imposed by companies like Apple and Microsoft and be able to stand on its own two feet with its own respectable market share, but for now I am always grateful to any games company or studio taking the time out to try and do a respectable port.

Ultimately though I am pissed with Valve, they just Half-Ass everything, seriously no new games in years, their steamos support has been shite, steamos boxes are far too overpriced, they jump onto vr don't even provide steamos support and vr on pc is just too expensive and by all accounts its flopped.

They are all over the shop and they are the only ones that can actually make a dent / make a difference. If they announced left for dead 3 tomorrow, using vulkan, with stellar performance on SteamOS, with a 3 month timed exclusivity for SteamOS, it would dramatically impact linux gaming, but they wont do it, they dont even need to have timed exclusivity they just need to bring out new AAA games with SteamOS as a 1st party citizen with stellar performance, something to really show off what SteamOS and by extension Linux is capable of.

Look at it this way, can you blame Aspyr or any games company for having waning Linux aspirations, when the company that initially headed up this charge, has been half-assing support as much as valve has recently for steamos ? What new feature in SteamOS have you seen that has made you think, yeah Valve are definitely still trying ?

Maan I was so awaiting this release, so sad. :(

-And I was hoping someone else but Aspyr did the porting this time, I've delt with their support...

Relevant quotes below -on the "Civ-BE crashing on CPU's with more than 16 vCPU's" support ticket, I cut out all the standard "send us steam system information" and me explaining how it works on the exact same system with an older cpu and if I use taskset to lock Civ to fewer cores.. And so on..:
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Me: "it is a threading issue, the CPU has 20 threads (and the stacktrace points to this aswell)."

Aspyr: "Its possible that there are missing updates or firmware that are causing the issue.
We have not been able to replicate this issue on a similar hardware configuration".

Me: "If you don't mind me asking..
- What CPU is in your similar setup?"

Aspyr: "AMD fx-6300 CPU"

Aspyr: "Thanks so much for following up on this issue. Unfortunately, since the issue is inconsistent and hasn't been reported directly with support to either Aspyr or 2K save for a few players, there are no plans to provide an update to resolve it."
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I'm speechless.

Quoting: ExpalphalogI never would have deleted my Windows Partition if I'd known that Civ V might be the last Civ game that I get to play.

I think that we should just ignore games and publishers that have no intention to provide cross-platform games, there is no future in forcing users to use certain OSs for playing certain games, I've plenty of games that are not supported on Linux and lately I'm just like OK, I buy and support only cross-platform developers and publishers, I've seen that a lot of Windows users do that as well, I've talked to a guy in Youtube comment section who said that he still uses Windows because of performance issues (hardware) but plans to switch on long-run and is constantly buying only games that he will be able to play on Linux. There is no point in supporting someone if he completely ignores you or has no intention to support you because you don't use certain OS.

Quoting: truebluewooI'm quite disappointed, I'm guessing aspyr was hoping steamos would be in a better state than it is right now, with a bigger market share.

There are other difficulties as well, the Linux opengl stack is actively being developed and has moved on to supporting Vulkan. Apple have intentionally stopped supporting openGL and gone to their own proprietary metal api.

Aspyr's loyalty has always been Mac and mac has around 5% market share, if SteamOS had taken off, then they would be porting regardless of how many difficulties they would have to overcome, or fireaxis would have ported directly. Right now to fully support Linux they would need to utilise the latest openGL specs, which they cant do as apple doesn't support it.

We are tiny, with just 1% market share and unfortunately some of us have become a bit self-entitled. We were hungry for every game port and thankful for any decent port, now there are talks of boycotts for any company that doesn't meet our expectations.

I wish people would just chill out, being kind and nice to every developer or porter is better than turning nasty if we dont get our own way. I think the saying goes you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar ( http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+can+catch+more+flies+with+honey+than+with+vinegar)

Ultimately when we are a nice polite community, developers will be more open with us, if we treat them with respect they will treat us with respect. Stop demanding, stop rioting, chill out, be polite approach the developers with a polite and respectful attitude. I am forever grateful for Aspyr porting civ 5, its the game I've played the most on steam since it came to Linux, Both Aspyr and Feral try hard and there really isn't much reward for them porting, having to deal with a spoilt angry community will drive them away.

Our market share isn't making them super rich, but they still port games. I hope some day SteamOs does take off and I hope Linux can break free from the shackles imposed by companies like Apple and Microsoft and be able to stand on its own two feet with its own respectable market share, but for now I am always grateful to any games company or studio taking the time out to try and do a respectable port.

Ultimately though I am pissed with Valve, they just Half-Ass everything, seriously no new games in years, their steamos support has been shite, steamos boxes are far too overpriced, they jump onto vr don't even provide steamos support and vr on pc is just too expensive and by all accounts its flopped.

They are all over the shop and they are the only ones that can actually make a dent / make a difference. If they announced left for dead 3 tomorrow, using vulkan, with stellar performance on SteamOS, with a 3 month timed exclusivity for SteamOS, it would dramatically impact linux gaming, but they wont do it, they dont even need to have timed exclusivity they just need to bring out new AAA games with SteamOS as a 1st party citizen with stellar performance, something to really show off what SteamOS and by extension Linux is capable of.

Look at it this way, can you blame Aspyr or any games company for having waning Linux aspirations, when the company that initially headed up this charge, has been half-assing support as much as valve has recently for steamos ? What new feature in SteamOS have you seen that has made you think, yeah Valve are definitely still trying ?

Actually, it's more than doubled. We're sitting at 2.21% atm for Linux usage. I follow the stats on other sites. Steam stats are not accurate.

Quoting: truebluewooI'm quite disappointed, I'm guessing aspyr was hoping steamos would be in a better state than it is right now, with a bigger market share.

There are other difficulties as well, the Linux opengl stack is actively being developed and has moved on to supporting Vulkan. Apple have intentionally stopped supporting openGL and gone to their own proprietary metal api.

Aspyr's loyalty has always been Mac and mac has around 5% market share, if SteamOS had taken off, then they would be porting regardless of how many difficulties they would have to overcome, or fireaxis would have ported directly. Right now to fully support Linux they would need to utilise the latest openGL specs, which they cant do as apple doesn't support it.

We are tiny, with just 1% market share and unfortunately some of us have become a bit self-entitled. We were hungry for every game port and thankful for any decent port, now there are talks of boycotts for any company that doesn't meet our expectations.

I wish people would just chill out, being kind and nice to every developer or porter is better than turning nasty if we dont get our own way. I think the saying goes you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar ( http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+can+catch+more+flies+with+honey+than+with+vinegar)

Ultimately when we are a nice polite community, developers will be more open with us, if we treat them with respect they will treat us with respect. Stop demanding, stop rioting, chill out, be polite approach the developers with a polite and respectful attitude. I am forever grateful for Aspyr porting civ 5, its the game I've played the most on steam since it came to Linux, Both Aspyr and Feral try hard and there really isn't much reward for them porting, having to deal with a spoilt angry community will drive them away.

Our market share isn't making them super rich, but they still port games. I hope some day SteamOs does take off and I hope Linux can break free from the shackles imposed by companies like Apple and Microsoft and be able to stand on its own two feet with its own respectable market share, but for now I am always grateful to any games company or studio taking the time out to try and do a respectable port.

Ultimately though I am pissed with Valve, they just Half-Ass everything, seriously no new games in years, their steamos support has been shite, steamos boxes are far too overpriced, they jump onto vr don't even provide steamos support and vr on pc is just too expensive and by all accounts its flopped.

They are all over the shop and they are the only ones that can actually make a dent / make a difference. If they announced left for dead 3 tomorrow, using vulkan, with stellar performance on SteamOS, with a 3 month timed exclusivity for SteamOS, it would dramatically impact linux gaming, but they wont do it, they dont even need to have timed exclusivity they just need to bring out new AAA games with SteamOS as a 1st party citizen with stellar performance, something to really show off what SteamOS and by extension Linux is capable of.

Look at it this way, can you blame Aspyr or any games company for having waning Linux aspirations, when the company that initially headed up this charge, has been half-assing support as much as valve has recently for steamos ? What new feature in SteamOS have you seen that has made you think, yeah Valve are definitely still trying ?

Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money... Riot games is definite proof of that (huge number of rioters use linux on a daily basis, but refuse to support it because of financial concerns...) so there is no good reason in being nice to someone who gives up on porting games to SteamOS as soon as he sees that there is no huge profit... Linux has never been about profit, it's about making better world software wise and if developers built their games from the ground up for cross-platform they would have no problems providing support for all of them, but they just don't care. We need more companies like Feral and Valve, companies who know that they won't make too much money on the short-run but will make computing and gaming better on the long run...

Quoting: MaCroX95Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money...

Developers are humans, too.
(I remember a company that hung up a poster with the best Linux user thank quotes - don't remember which one it was.)

Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, it's more than doubled. We're sitting at 2.21% atm for Linux usage. I follow the stats on other sites. Steam stats are not accurate.

Steam stats match Steam game sales quite nice often.