Civilization VI was originally announced for Linux back in May, since then we've had a lot of silence on it, until today. Aspyr Media seem to be the developer handling it, but they are still investigating if it's viable.
Taken from their blog:
QuoteQ: Is Civ VI available on Linux?
A: Linux is still being investigated as a project. We hope to have clarity in coming months on if a viable version of Civ VI can make it to Linux and will let you know as soon as we have more information.
Aspyr have also been commenting some more on reddit:
QuoteI'm sorry guys. I should know better than to post in here before picking up my toddler for a TexMex dinner. You guys are incredibly active, and that's a huge part of why we love you.
I know its not a detailed statement, but it is absolutely full truth. Just because we are using OGL, that does not automatically translate to a workable Linux port. There are tons of complexities there (as you all well know). We have our team head down on proving that it can be done up to our quality standards. Once we know that, we will share the news.
This is a real shame to see it change from a confirmed port, to only something that's being investigated.
I can only hope if they are unable to do it, that another developer picks it up. I would love to see Aspyr Media handle it though, as their other ports are good and I have a lot of respect for them as developers, but if they can't, then someone else needs to step up. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: EikeQuoting: MaCroX95Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money...
Developers are humans, too.
(I remember a company that hung up a poster with the best Linux user thank quotes - don't remember which one it was.)
@Eike I agree, some developers are really great and like openness and challenges as well as care for their consumers, but I wish that more developers were like that and knew that some people just hate having Windows install installed on their PC because of many reasons, but would still love to pay to play their games... However it really hurts my eyes when I see how many games already support DX12 and on how many games support is coming soon, however they seem to be adopting Vulkan only for android devices eventhough there are a lot of engines that already support Vulkan... the direction that Vulkan adoption is going with developers doesn't look really promising at this point...
Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, it's more than doubled. We're sitting at 2.21% atm for Linux usage. I follow the stats on other sites. Steam stats are not accurate.
@cxphergmailcom Yeah, Linux marketshare as a whole has grown much in the last year, but not many of Linux users are actually gamers... and for the gamer part it's somewhere from 1-2% IMHO on steam...
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Linux adoption rate at one point was rumoured to be about 8 - 10% world wide, the numbers have since nose dived mainly due to apple going the unix route (although I would bet its still around 7 -8%). A few years back many laptop manufacturers where providing linux laptops in places like Malaysia, china etc. this was the tail end of winxp era. Ive been running linux solely as my main platform for a long time, a very long time and I am a believer in the open source model and its also the field I work in.
Numbers always fluctuate, we are talking about games sales here (which puts linux about 1%) and all companies are driven by money, most of us also want to be financially independent, which requires us to have decent well paid jobs. Forget the mega corps here, the ones that wont even look our way (like activision or EA) these developers are by no means massive and they are trying their best.
Its also Aspyr that hangs posters of peoples comments on their walls, read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2inq5s/why_aspyr_for_greatness/?st=iu1z51ls&sh=880b7fd3
or this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2sm72d/aspyr_media_are_you_profitable/?st=iu1z50b1&sh=5022a4ab
Which practically confirms what I was thinking, I just looked up aspyr and poster comments in google and came across those two threads. They were just about breaking even with the ports, believe me when I say this, that's not enough to justify sustained development, especially if your met with hostile customers. Honestly the one thing I've learnt is patience and being polite and kind, you do catch more flies with honey, its a simple truth. I also hugely respect Aspyr, because their feedback and their response, tells me they are passionate about what they do and they do genuinely care.
I am also pissed at valve for good reason, they opened this whole thing up because they said they believed in an open platform to try and push gaming, because they were afraid that windows would become a walled garden and they are in a unique position to push for change, but they have so far half-assed this whole endeavour. I get the feeling from them that internally it was a nice to have, but since then they just seemed to have lost interest, chasing after the next shiny toy.
I know Microsoft, they will take any opportunity to advance their cause, the will lie, cheat and steal (like they have in the past) to advance whatever keeps them at major desktop monopoly status, without that monopoly they become irrelevant, they know this, we know this. With valve half-assing and with the quality of games on the steam store tanking, it opens the doors for Microsoft to make a solid walled garden and to lock their users solidly inside it.
Right now they have kind-of backed off with the windows store, but windows 10 is a clear sign of their intent and this whole xbox live, buy a game on xbox and play across xbox consoles or windows pcs, is them sugar coating the poison that will follow. People are ultimately like sheep, they can be herded quite easily, none of us like to admit this, but its the truth successive wars have shown this about us, advertisements are designed to trigger this in our brains and its something we have evolved with and is inherent in our psychology, in our dna. When given the choice between something difficult and something easy we take the route of least resistance. Also the older we get, the more resistance to change we develop. Mega corps and even governments exploit this, they exploit our resistance and fear of change, our fear of difference. This is where FUD comes from, anyway I digress. Linux isnt the cure for all of the worlds ills and its something that Microsoft cannot stop. It does however stand up to the mega-corps of the world and does show an alternative route based around collaboration rather than just purely competition and its a world I would rather live in, who knows what the future will hold and what will ultimately happen, however technology will advance and things will change. Empires will rise and empires will fall, valve would do well to take note.
Numbers always fluctuate, we are talking about games sales here (which puts linux about 1%) and all companies are driven by money, most of us also want to be financially independent, which requires us to have decent well paid jobs. Forget the mega corps here, the ones that wont even look our way (like activision or EA) these developers are by no means massive and they are trying their best.
Its also Aspyr that hangs posters of peoples comments on their walls, read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/2inq5s/why_aspyr_for_greatness/?st=iu1z51ls&sh=880b7fd3
or this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2sm72d/aspyr_media_are_you_profitable/?st=iu1z50b1&sh=5022a4ab
Which practically confirms what I was thinking, I just looked up aspyr and poster comments in google and came across those two threads. They were just about breaking even with the ports, believe me when I say this, that's not enough to justify sustained development, especially if your met with hostile customers. Honestly the one thing I've learnt is patience and being polite and kind, you do catch more flies with honey, its a simple truth. I also hugely respect Aspyr, because their feedback and their response, tells me they are passionate about what they do and they do genuinely care.
I am also pissed at valve for good reason, they opened this whole thing up because they said they believed in an open platform to try and push gaming, because they were afraid that windows would become a walled garden and they are in a unique position to push for change, but they have so far half-assed this whole endeavour. I get the feeling from them that internally it was a nice to have, but since then they just seemed to have lost interest, chasing after the next shiny toy.
I know Microsoft, they will take any opportunity to advance their cause, the will lie, cheat and steal (like they have in the past) to advance whatever keeps them at major desktop monopoly status, without that monopoly they become irrelevant, they know this, we know this. With valve half-assing and with the quality of games on the steam store tanking, it opens the doors for Microsoft to make a solid walled garden and to lock their users solidly inside it.
Right now they have kind-of backed off with the windows store, but windows 10 is a clear sign of their intent and this whole xbox live, buy a game on xbox and play across xbox consoles or windows pcs, is them sugar coating the poison that will follow. People are ultimately like sheep, they can be herded quite easily, none of us like to admit this, but its the truth successive wars have shown this about us, advertisements are designed to trigger this in our brains and its something we have evolved with and is inherent in our psychology, in our dna. When given the choice between something difficult and something easy we take the route of least resistance. Also the older we get, the more resistance to change we develop. Mega corps and even governments exploit this, they exploit our resistance and fear of change, our fear of difference. This is where FUD comes from, anyway I digress. Linux isnt the cure for all of the worlds ills and its something that Microsoft cannot stop. It does however stand up to the mega-corps of the world and does show an alternative route based around collaboration rather than just purely competition and its a world I would rather live in, who knows what the future will hold and what will ultimately happen, however technology will advance and things will change. Empires will rise and empires will fall, valve would do well to take note.
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I'm also wondering because data is much different comparing different sites on Linux marketshare... Some say that it's way over 3% and somewhere they say it's 1%... I think that this is also one kind of a strategy to keep people on dominant platform and prevent them from migrating (because of mindset: oh, noone uses Linux, there is no support there...), however I think that this is far from the truth. Linux proves with forums and active community that it's completely viable platform for doing same kinds of things (of course different way) and does majority of them better... Gaming of course is not the case, if I was unbiased and had to choose only for performance Windows 7 would curently be the obvious option, however I do believe that every computer that runs linux counts and that eventually we will prove that our community can stand up against Mac so there would be again 3 major platforms as they were 15 years ago... Strangely all developers back then really considered linux as a platform however today they are way more ignorant...
I agree on the Valve part, however I don't think that they will back off with their Linux plan... Valve has primarily opened a whole new gaming platform to block crazy ideas from Microsoft of overtaking the gaming part of computing as they did with pretty much everything else (except the browser, edge still sucks :D) and for the platform so young it has quite a lot of availible games, performance issues will be irrelevant after a few years when we all upgrade our rigs and these games will run extremely well. I don't know why Valve doesn't ban the new exclusive titles like if you want to have a game availible on Steam platform it needs to be cross-platform... It might sound rough to developers but in fact it is not. Steam has a huge community and every gamer would agree with such an attitude from valve. And community and numbers are ones that would "force" big companies to make cross-platorm games from the ground up. And they could have easily done that because with mindset that is present now in developers' heads (except Feral, Aspyr, Valve, Croteam...) I don't think we'll ever see Day 1 AAA releases on Linux sadly...
Last edited by MaCroX95 on 9 October 2016 at 10:48 am UTC
I'm also wondering because data is much different comparing different sites on Linux marketshare... Some say that it's way over 3% and somewhere they say it's 1%... I think that this is also one kind of a strategy to keep people on dominant platform and prevent them from migrating (because of mindset: oh, noone uses Linux, there is no support there...), however I think that this is far from the truth. Linux proves with forums and active community that it's completely viable platform for doing same kinds of things (of course different way) and does majority of them better... Gaming of course is not the case, if I was unbiased and had to choose only for performance Windows 7 would curently be the obvious option, however I do believe that every computer that runs linux counts and that eventually we will prove that our community can stand up against Mac so there would be again 3 major platforms as they were 15 years ago... Strangely all developers back then really considered linux as a platform however today they are way more ignorant...
I agree on the Valve part, however I don't think that they will back off with their Linux plan... Valve has primarily opened a whole new gaming platform to block crazy ideas from Microsoft of overtaking the gaming part of computing as they did with pretty much everything else (except the browser, edge still sucks :D) and for the platform so young it has quite a lot of availible games, performance issues will be irrelevant after a few years when we all upgrade our rigs and these games will run extremely well. I don't know why Valve doesn't ban the new exclusive titles like if you want to have a game availible on Steam platform it needs to be cross-platform... It might sound rough to developers but in fact it is not. Steam has a huge community and every gamer would agree with such an attitude from valve. And community and numbers are ones that would "force" big companies to make cross-platorm games from the ground up. And they could have easily done that because with mindset that is present now in developers' heads (except Feral, Aspyr, Valve, Croteam...) I don't think we'll ever see Day 1 AAA releases on Linux sadly...
Last edited by MaCroX95 on 9 October 2016 at 10:48 am UTC
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Quoting: MaCroX95Quoting: EikeQuoting: MaCroX95Developers don't give a shit about us, all they care about is money...
Developers are humans, too.
(I remember a company that hung up a poster with the best Linux user thank quotes - don't remember which one it was.)
@Eike I agree, some developers are really great and like openness and challenges as well as care for their consumers, but I wish that more developers were like that and knew that some people just hate having Windows install installed on their PC because of many reasons, but would still love to pay to play their games... However it really hurts my eyes when I see how many games already support DX12 and on how many games support is coming soon, however they seem to be adopting Vulkan only for android devices eventhough there are a lot of engines that already support Vulkan... the direction that Vulkan adoption is going with developers doesn't look really promising at this point...
Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, it's more than doubled. We're sitting at 2.21% atm for Linux usage. I follow the stats on other sites. Steam stats are not accurate.
@cxphergmailcom Yeah, Linux marketshare as a whole has grown much in the last year, but not many of Linux users are actually gamers... and for the gamer part it's somewhere from 1-2% IMHO on steam...
Actually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.
Last edited by [email protected] on 9 October 2016 at 3:33 pm UTC
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Quoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.
You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.
My wife and my mother-in-law are using Linux but are not gamers.
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Quoting: EikeQuoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.
You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.
My wife and my mother-in-law are using Linux but are not gamers.
That was exactly my point... My father, grandma, grandfather, 2 neighbours they use linux but aren't gamers... I'm the only one that is...
And there is estimated 80+ milion Linux users worldwide... if cxphergmailcom's assumption was right and every Linux user was also a gamer we would be quite big community on Steam, not 1-2% of the marketshare...
Gamers are a minority on both Windows and Linux.
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Any other news on this? Because Civ 6 strategic view is awesome!
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/56r0mw/civ_6_strategic_view_is_fing_beautiful_it_looks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/civ/comments/56r0mw/civ_6_strategic_view_is_fing_beautiful_it_looks/
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Quoting: EikeQuoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.
You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.
My wife and my mother-in-law are using Linux but are not gamers.
Yes. You read me right. If you're here and you're not a gamer, then you're at the wrong site.
Go to www.omgubuntu.co.uk.
Same goes for Steam.
Last edited by [email protected] on 10 October 2016 at 5:16 pm UTC
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Quoting: cxphergmailcomQuoting: EikeQuoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
Biggest thread on most game discussions on Steam are Linux port requests.
You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.
My wife and my mother-in-law are using Linux but are not gamers.
Yes. You read me right. If you're here and you're not a gamer, then you're at the wrong site.
Go to www.omgubuntu.co.uk.
Same goes for Steam.
My point was that gamers are a minority on both Windows and Linux, on this site obviously every one is a gamer but you cannot compare marketashare of Linux gamers vs the Marketshare of Linux desktop users... proportion is completely different
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Quoting: cxphergmailcomQuoting: EikeQuoting: cxphergmailcomActually, every Linux user I know and all of you here are obviously gamers. It think it's a gross assumption that many aren't.
You mean, people on GamingForLinux and Steam are gamers? Really? Wow.
Yes. You read me right. If you're here and you're not a gamer, then you're at the wrong site.
The random sample you have taken to judge if most Linuxers are gamers is the opposite of random.
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