Mad Max to release on 20th of October for Linux & SteamOS, being ported by Feral Interactive

Feral acquired the publishing rights for Mac and Linux...
If that is the case, yes, they deserve money for job..

That's how all Feral games work.

hmmm..

But that makes the DRM situation even worst than I thought:
Now I know that your ports are Steam infected because YOU want it, and not because some big publisher want it...

Is not OK to force a person to install steam for to play a game...
Steam must be OPTIONAL, not forced (Like GOG Galaxy or Desura client).

I can tolerate that behavior a DRM'ed plattform like Windows, but not on Linux.

I dream with Feral games on GOG, but it seems that is not going to happen.

PS: I can tolerate your own DRM/Download client for your store, but not a third party DRM like Steam.

It's probably nothing so insidious as DRM.

Steam affords a central location for distribution including dlc, patches, betas, qa, and submissions to the original publisher/developer. Additionally Steamworks provides you with access to centralized matching for multiplayer, community tools, achievements, trading cards, "ten foot" experience integration (via big picture tools), Steam Controller integration (including prompts, icons, and overlays for in-game), and more. And for Linux, building against the Steam Runtime gives you easy system compatibility without having to statically link and/or distribute shared system libraries in order to have something consistent to test against.

Many games use these things without otherwise necessarily requiring Steam, and in fact I've played many games with these features which will function without Steam running, just with those things disabled. The fact is all of the above tends to be good for users and make things easy and convenient for developers. And frankly until GOG gets serious about Linux support you'll probably continue to see releases either skip or be somewhat limited in content on GOG.


Last edited by Mblackwell on 7 October 2016 at 5:29 pm UTC

@edddeduckferal

Thank you so much that you take your time to explain how things work "behind the scenes" in regards to the publishing rights etc. These are questions I've always wondered about.

Thanks again!

your ports are Steam infected

Come on, dude. Come on. Just... Take a chill pill. This is fanatic.


Last edited by Beamboom on 7 October 2016 at 10:21 pm UTC

I'll continue to feed it with Bethesda, Bethesda and... hm, I'll think about the third.

Let me guess.... Bethesda? ;)

I will feed it with Bethesda until it bursts, gimme gimme gimme

@edddeduckferal

Thank you so much that you take your time to explain how things work "behind the scenes" in regards to the publishing rights etc. These are questions I've always wondered about.

Thanks again!

your ports are Steam infected

Come on, dude. Come on. Just... Take a chill pill. This is fanatic.

Never mind...


Gaming problems painfully solved...

@edddeduckferal

Thank you so much that you take your time to explain how things work "behind the scenes" in regards to the publishing rights etc. These are questions I've always wondered about.

Thanks again!

your ports are Steam infected

Come on, dude. Come on. Just... Take a chill pill. This is fanatic.

Never mind...

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Gaming problems painfully solved...

Kinda silly to argue against DRM, then install Windows instead of Linux........

I'll continue to feed it with Bethesda, Bethesda and... hm, I'll think about the third.

Let me guess.... Bethesda? ;)

Need to think a bit more about it. But yes, Fallout and Elder Scrolls is what I'm missing by far the most after dumping Windows.

@eddy I have to add that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition would be great starting point for Bethesda and Linux adventure. I mean I guess 99% people would prefer Skyrim Legendary Edition with mod support because of the price, but I can ensure you that we will prove with our wallets that picking Skyrim will be very wise!

Kinda silly to argue against DRM, then install Windows instead of Linux........

No at all...
I already have a Linux machine..
I am assembling another PC with Windows 7 64 bit OEM(no dual boot)....

I am against the DRM on Linux, because to request permision for to play a game you own is contrary to the FREEDOM of the Linux platform...

With Windows is different; DRM is the rule there. I don't like it, but I tolerate it If I have gaming benefits like, for example, the posibility to play 100% of my Steam library (the Remastered versions of Bioshock 1 and 2 are my next games to play)... .. My Uplay library.. my DRMFREE Windows games like GOG, Humble and Gamersgate.

..and my EA Origin Library empowered with EA access, "THE VAULT" feature that allow me to play big games like Battlefield™ Hardline, Dragon Age™: Inquisition Digital Deluxe, Titanfall™ Deluxe, Battlefield 4™ Premium Edition, etc, for just 5U$D per month... (not only that, suscribers have an extra 10% discount on the store)...
If the thing goes like this, EA will kill Valve in a few years, but not now...Not even close....

This DRM thing for me is cost vs benefit... There is no benefit with DRM on Linux...Specially if the DRM'ed games are games already available on Windows for several months or years...

I can tolerate the Steam DRM on Linux if Feral (or Aspyr or Virtual Programming) gives me AAA Linux games that aren't available on Windows. :)

It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

To the guy stating it has to be drm free on linux or i'll buy it on windows. Linux is about freedom, end-of. To state it has to be drm free only on linux, You know what, https://youtu.be/iYWzMvlj2RQ?t=31s

Sorry that was harsh, do whatever you want. The reality is Linux is open-source: https://youtu.be/XMm0HsmOTFI?t=33m23s. Calling for DRM free or else is just absurd. I use Linux because I prefer Linux, I buy games on Linux, because I prefer to use Linux.

Games are not always drm free, games publishers and software publishers are free to do as they please on Linux as they are on any other platform. Run Linux if you want, run windows if you want, but stop being an ass. Your just trying to be spiteful towards Feral, what in the hopes that they stop porting to Linux all together ? Is that your intent ? What are you demonstrating here exactly ? I think that is the more important question. What do you actually hope to gain by doing this ?

Feral thank you, I will also be purchasing this when it gets released, in fact there is a few games I've gotta get, which I'll get when this gets released.


Last edited by truebluewoo on 9 October 2016 at 10:35 am UTC

Kinda silly to argue against DRM, then install Windows instead of Linux........

No at all...
I already have a Linux machine..
I am assembling another PC with Windows 7 64 bit OEM(no dual boot)....

I am against the DRM on Linux, because to request permision for to play a game you own is contrary to the FREEDOM of the Linux platform...

With Windows is different; DRM is the rule there. I don't like it, but I tolerate it If I have gaming benefits like, for example, the posibility to play 100% of my Steam library (the Remastered versions of Bioshock 1 and 2 are my next games to play)... .. My Uplay library.. my DRMFREE Windows games like GOG, Humble and Gamersgate.

..and my EA Origin Library empowered with EA access, "THE VAULT" feature that allow me to play big games like Battlefield™ Hardline, Dragon Age™: Inquisition Digital Deluxe, Titanfall™ Deluxe, Battlefield 4™ Premium Edition, etc, for just 5U$D per month... (not only that, suscribers have an extra 10% discount on the store)...
If the thing goes like this, EA will kill Valve in a few years, but not now...Not even close....

This DRM thing for me is cost vs benefit... There is no benefit with DRM on Linux...Specially if the DRM'ed games are games already available on Windows for several months or years...

I can tolerate the Steam DRM on Linux if Feral (or Aspyr or Virtual Programming) gives me AAA Linux games that aren't available on Windows. :)

Steam is the dominant platform for game distribution. To expect a developer to put the effort to port and not release on steam is just silly. You can ask for a GOG version, but that is extra work that would cut in to the benefit of making the port. You are entitled to you point of view but I think it is really silly, and I think a lot of people will agree. DRM is not just on Windows, Windows is DRM. Microsoft has total control of your computer once you connect to the internet and there is nothing you can do about. I am also against DRM, but the world doesn't change overnight. Your DRMFREE Windows games aren't really DRM Free as you are playing them on Windows and Microsoft could delete them from your hard drive any time they want. If you want to have Windows and access your full game library that's cool. But you shouldn't bash on people that are helping us access games on a platform that is open and ours to do what we want with.

It would be much more productive to make a post and say, "You know I would really love a DRMFree version on GOG and I won't buy it for Steam, but thanks anyway".

I stand by my statement that is silly to argue against DRM to the extreme of saying you won't use Steam on Linux and then install Windows to use Steam on Windows. I don't think any of us want to see pictures of your motherboard with a Windows 7(I mean 10 with different theme) disc. This is gamingonlinux.com and your bashing Linux porters on multiple threads and basically promoting the use Windows for gaming. Not cool

Thanks Feral, I'll be buying this on release


Last edited by m2mg2 on 9 October 2016 at 3:20 pm UTC

@m2mg2

I agree with you, DRM is not a problem, it's their game and they have the right to make it DRM, Windows are Microsoft's OS and they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA so it's on us to say NO to those kinds of practices... If people don't get away from them they will just keep getting worse, however legally they have the right to do it if you accept their EULA... So if I would want to use Windows I would be forced to accept their EULA and DRM and same is with games... you don't need to buy games but if you want to buy and play a game that belongs to the company you need to accept their EULA and DRM so I don't see a problem here... it's better to have DRM only on the game that you play rather than the OS that u use and also games that you play on :)


Last edited by MaCroX95 on 9 October 2016 at 3:46 pm UTC

@m2mg2

I agree with you, DRM is not a problem, it's their game and they have the right to make it DRM, Windows are Microsoft's OS and they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA so it's on us to say NO to those kinds of practices... If people don't get away from them they will just keep getting worse, however legally they have the right to do it if you accept their EULA... So if I would want to use Windows I would be forced to accept their EULA and DRM and same is with games... you don't need to buy games but if you want to buy and play a game that belongs to the company you need to accept their EULA and DRM so I don't see a problem here... it's better to have DRM only on the game that you play rather than the OS that u use and also games that you play on :)

I don't like DRM. If a game asks me for root escalation so it can install some DRM service, instant refund request. Luckily I haven't seen this on Linux yet. I think Steam DRM is fairly benign as far as DRM goes. I would like games to be released on GOG also, that way you can get a copy that will work even if steam ever goes under you don't loose games. But I think it's a lot to expect of developers/publishers right now. I would really like to see steam add the option of developers including games in Steam DRM free, that way GOG wouldn't be needed. I don't think GOG really cares about Linux and they haven't really done much to advance Linux gaming. We don't even have their client available on our platform.

they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA

Luckily this isn't quite as clear cut in the EU at least. There are citizen's rights and protections we cannot give away by signing an EULA any more than we could sell ourselves into slavery. No agreement overrides law, and no private company or individual can dictate law. (Unless they've got the money I guess. :><: Fsck the legalized corruption we call lobbying.)

they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA

Luckily this isn't quite as clear cut in the EU at least. There are citizen's rights and protections we cannot give away by signing an EULA any more than we could sell ourselves into slavery. No agreement overrides law, and no private company or individual can dictate law. (Unless they've got the money I guess. :><: Fsck the legalized corruption we call lobbying.)

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm not really sure how it is here in EU, but I like to assume usually that EULA is your contract that binds you to MS or any other country. If we have regulation laws of privacy protection and such it's even better, there were rumors about France suing MS for these privacy concerns but never heard of that anymore in the Media...


Last edited by MaCroX95 on 9 October 2016 at 5:40 pm UTC

@m2mg2

I agree with you, DRM is not a problem, it's their game and they have the right to make it DRM, Windows are Microsoft's OS and they have the right to DRM it and control our computers and spy on us if we accept their EULA so it's on us to say NO to those kinds of practices... If people don't get away from them they will just keep getting worse, however legally they have the right to do it if you accept their EULA... So if I would want to use Windows I would be forced to accept their EULA and DRM and same is with games... you don't need to buy games but if you want to buy and play a game that belongs to the company you need to accept their EULA and DRM so I don't see a problem here... it's better to have DRM only on the game that you play rather than the OS that u use and also games that you play on :)

I don't like DRM. If a game asks me for root escalation so it can install some DRM service, instant refund request. Luckily I haven't seen this on Linux yet. I think Steam DRM is fairly benign as far as DRM goes. I would like games to be released on GOG also, that way you can get a copy that will work even if steam ever goes under you don't loose games. But I think it's a lot to expect of developers/publishers right now. I would really like to see steam add the option of developers including games in Steam DRM free, that way GOG wouldn't be needed. I don't think GOG really cares about Linux and they haven't really done much to advance Linux gaming. We don't even have their client available on our platform.

There are DRM free games on Steam, a user maintained list is here List of DRM-free games
What is missing is a way for developers to add DRM free as feature so it is listed together with Single-Player, Multi-Player etc.

What is missing is a way for developers to add DRM free as feature so it is listed together with Single-Player, Multi-Player etc.

Isn't that as simple as not linking to the steam api library? That'll mean no steam goodies like achievements though, so I doubt there'd be much support for it.

What is missing is a way for developers to add DRM free as feature so it is listed together with Single-Player, Multi-Player etc.

Isn't that as simple as not linking to the steam api library? That'll mean no steam goodies like achievements though, so I doubt there'd be much support for it.

What would be really good would be the ability to launch a game with or without the steam api at launch or in a launcher

If we have regulation laws of privacy protection and such it's even better, there were rumors about France suing MS for these privacy concerns but never heard of that anymore in the Media...

It's still in progress. They had 3 months to make adjustments in Windows 10, so until end of october, this month. After that, there is a financial penalty: 150'000€ (lool... Microsoft... 150'000€...)

More seriously, our CNIL can't do much against Microsoft. They count on a new european directive (General Data Protection Regulation to put more pressure and, above all, a supposed real pressure on GAFAM (Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft), but it will only enter into application in may 2018... Microsoft have plenty of time to do what they want, and in the end they have good friends among our politicians, like our past and present presidents, if, by accident, they are in a real difficult position.

Here is a french article explaining this in every details:
Windows 10 : pourquoi la CNIL met en demeure Microsoft
Google translate doesn't seem to work, but if you copy/paste the whole text, translation is not bad.

What is missing is a way for developers to add DRM free as feature so it is listed together with Single-Player, Multi-Player etc.

Isn't that as simple as not linking to the steam api library? That'll mean no steam goodies like achievements though, so I doubt there'd be much support for it.

I believe what a lot of the DRM free games on Steam are doing is to check if Steam is running, and if not to disable the features like cloud save and achievements if not.

I just made a quick check with Tropico5 without Steam running and had a bunch of missing libraries.
Then I tried it with the steam runtime but no steam running and could start it, and it did not find my cloud saves. I am not sure what else is missing but it did start without steam