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PC Gamer had a chat with Alienware manager Frank Azor about the changing situation of Steam Machines. They feel Windows 10 is part of the reason Steam Machines and SteamOS didn't do so well.

Quote“I think the landscape two years ago was very different to what it is today,” Azor said. “The catalyst for the Steam Machine initiative was really around what Microsoft’s decisions were with Windows 8, and if you remember that operating system, it really stepped away from gamers in a big way. We were concerned as an industry that we were going to lose PC gamers on the Windows platform to any other platform that was out there, whether it was console, Mac OS X, Android. 
“So that’s where the partnership between Valve and Alienware really initiated around the Steam Machine concept,” he continued. “We said: ‘Hey, we can’t lose Windows as a gaming platform.’ We had to take matters into our own hands because we couldn’t rely on Microsoft. So we did that, and we started pursuing the path that we did.”


He also mentions that the limited library we have compared to Windows is an issue, which is obvious, but slowly improving with time. One comment that I found a bit odd was his comment about what controller you can use (he says controller, meaning gamepad), as Linux generally has very good support for almost all gamepads. SteamOS specifically will also soon gain official config support (like what you can do with the Steam Controller) for the Dualshock 4, which is currently in Beta. This will be rolled out to others in future too. Even without that ability for other gamepads, Linux/SteamOS still works well with most of them.

Sadly, he also points out that the Alienware Alpha with Windows 10 significantly outsells the Steam Machine version of the unit. Not sure I'm really surprised there though.

I don't see the Windows 10 store being much of a threat yet, considering the low sales that have been described and the controversy surrounding the newest Call of Duty. With the release of the latest CoD, gamers found if they got their copy from the Windows store they couldn't play with anyone on Steam. The fact remains though, things could still turn sour at any point—especially if Microsoft start adding in more and more cross-play titles with Xbox One and the Windows 10 store cutting into Steam sales. I don't see Valve dropping SteamOS anytime soon due to this.

Personally, I don't ever want to use Windows 10 for anything more than benchmarks and comparisons. All those privacy issues are just too much for me. I know you can turn some off easily, and others with downloadable scripts, but it goes too far for my liking. I am surprised more people don't have an issue with just how much it tracks you. It's worrying.

It seems like the release of Windows 10 has calmed down OEM concerns about users gaming on PC. This isn't good for us, but it's certainly not the end of the world. The fact still remains that SteamOS and Steam Machines have pushed Linux gaming to heights some of us never dreamt to be possible.

So while SteamOS momentum may be slow, Linux gaming in general is still doing rather well in my opinion. Just look at how many games have been ported this year despite SteamOS and Steam Machines not doing so well in terms of sales.

We still need more day-1 ports of bigger titles, VR support and games that perform closer to Windows to even begin eating into Windows market-share.

What's your take on this?

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Pinguino Nov 14, 2016
I get a feeling gamers are not very platform-loyal when compared to, say, phone users or non-gaming PC users. We've seen marketshare majority change hands many times in the console industry because gamers care more about their games than about the software behind them. This may change a little as consoles become more PC-like, but I still believe a couple more fuck-ups is all that it takes for Microsoft to lose a rather significant chunk of marketshare to a competitor. Now it's up to Valve to create a suitable competitor; poor project management made the first batch of Steam Machines the exact opposite of what they were supposed to be: instead of bringing the best of both worlds, they've released machines which were too expensive for console gamers and too limited for PC gamers.
Crazy Penguin Nov 14, 2016
I'm a bit surprised the sold that well with Windows 10. As far I remember the Steammachines have been 100-150 Bucks cheaper with SteamOS then with Windows. Just wondering as many Windows-Gamers complained about how expensive the Steammachines are, and now they are throwing ~100-150 Bucks more on it because of Windows? xD xD xD

Anyhow! I'm happy with my two Zotac ZBoxes running Linux on it :D

BTW: https://youtu.be/A-Rn0iQEpc8 :D

Quoting: SketchStickWas the Steam Machines even available outside of the US? I wanted to buy one but none of them appeared in Australia.
Yes, at least in Europe you could buy the ones from Alienware and the ZBox from Zotac.
Pinguino Nov 14, 2016
Quoting: OLucasZanellaBasically it was just a bluff.

I wouldn't call it a bluff, but it was surely a hedge. IIRC, even Gabe Newell said so back when we released that stern statement on his worries about the direction Windows was heading and why he's pushing SteamOS. Anyway, I hope he still believes in all he said on that talk about Linux and gaming three years ago.


Last edited by Pinguino on 14 November 2016 at 3:11 pm UTC
MaxPower Nov 14, 2016
Quoting: Crazy PenguinAs far I remember the Steammachines have been 100-150 Bucks cheaper with SteamOS then with Windows.

According to
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-steam-machine/pd?oc=d00asm43&l=en&s=dhs
and
http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-alpha/pd?oc=d00asm34&l=en&s=dhs

The Alpha is £50 pound more expensive and does not come with any controller (Use to come with a Xbox 360 controller but does not seems to be the case anymore)
whatever Nov 14, 2016
Quoting: wleoncioit's up to Valve to create a suitable competitor

Valve cannot create a suitable competitor to Windows.
Why the hell should I use SteamOS, which is nothing more than a crippled console OS, when I can use Windows, a full blown operating system??? Which, by the way, allows me to play the entirety of the Steam library at full speed.

We need a polished and complete desktop OS.
Ubuntu was promising 10 years ago, now it's a clusterfuck.
MaCroX95 Nov 14, 2016
Quoting: barotto
Quoting: wleoncioit's up to Valve to create a suitable competitor

Valve cannot create a suitable competitor to Windows.
Why the hell should I use SteamOS, which is nothing more than a crippled console OS, when I can use Windows, a full blown operating system??? Which, by the way, allows me to play the entirety of the Steam library at full speed.

We need a polished and complete desktop OS.
Ubuntu was promising 10 years ago, now it's a clusterfuck.

Because Windows 10 is the farest thing from polished and complete desktop OS that MS ever had so that's really not a question. Abusing your users and forcing them onto updates, specific apps, their OS overlays, spying and annoying notifications that optionally cannot be turned off, still not fixing the main issues with Windows running slower over time so literally they are trying to build a golden shiny walled garden on top of the muddy foundations.

And Linux actually is doing great job lately as a platform :) electron, QT and similar frameworks are bringing a lot of apps that we wouldn't otherwise hell, I'm feeling very comfortable on Linux based OSs lately.


Last edited by MaCroX95 on 14 November 2016 at 3:50 pm UTC
Erikcht Nov 14, 2016
I believe Valve is eating around the edges.
Focusing on ports with:

1st small developers;

2nd Distributors not so AAA that has accepted to outsource the port with the FERAL;

3rd To later focus on the most complicated distributors / developers that are Rockstar, Rocksteady, Warner Games, NetherRealm Studios, CAPCOM, KONAMI and SEGA;

4º Finally, the port of these here will have to be more POLITICAL than commercial. Like Bathesda / Zenimax, Ubisoft (UPLAY), EA (Origin), Blizzard (Battle.net). Some of them i imagine could be impossible to migrate to Linux or SteamOS, but worth trying.
I believe that some of them can join STEAMOS/Linux if it is clear that they will not be obliged to market the products within the STEAM platform

The Road of Gabe is too much dificult now...


Last edited by Erikcht on 14 November 2016 at 4:05 pm UTC
Kimyrielle Nov 14, 2016
Funny. I always thought Windows 10 is an even better reason to switch to Linux than Windows 8 was...
Corben Nov 14, 2016
It's difficult. There are a lot of ups and downs regarding playing games on Linux. There are times, where I cheer about every game coming to Linux, but then I see how many people are still playing on Windows and there is no way for them to change their operating system.
But then there are coming big titles to Linux, thanks to all the hard work of all the porters and porting companies, so I cheer again. Just to realize, how much you have to fiddle around with those games, to make them work. There is always something you have to fiddle around on Linux, and it feels like it's a lot more than on Windows. Of course Windows also has its problems, but in general, it have to admit to get the impression, it's more stable in general. Even though it's running on even more different hardware setups.

So I'm torn about what to think. Atm I'm happy about what I can play on Linux without having to boot Windows. I've been to a LAN party again last weekend, and played a lot of games this time and never had to boot into Windows. Ok, I was playing some of the games with wine, but I'm fine with that. The performance was great and I could attend a lot of tournaments.
Also what flibitijibo has reported about Steam Dev Days, e.g. that all demos have been running on Linux machines, including VR!

On the other hand I'm afraid that this might change again. This article here, the article about Everspace... that's all not sounding pretty well. In the end, the money will decide. If not enough people are buying Linux games or Linux machines the support will be dropped.

I would really like to hear more details from Valve, what plans they have, how far their progress is, etc. But in fact we don't hear anything and just can hope it will all turn out good for us.
skinnyraf Nov 14, 2016
Quoting: Crazy Penguin
Quoting: SketchStickWas the Steam Machines even available outside of the US? I wanted to buy one but none of them appeared in Australia.
Yes, at least in Europe you could buy the ones from Alienware and the ZBox from Zotac.

And not just from Steam but through regular Zotac and Dell sales channels, which means basically all major PC shops.
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