Aspyr Media is currently working on the feasibility of porting Civ VI to Linux. They are the same great company that gave us the Linux port for Civ V.
Note: This is also discussed in this Steam group.
The Steam topic in question is about Linux support, wherein we, the Linux community have been expressing interest and support of the possibly upcoming Linux release by Aspyr. We've also been talking about technical challenges, APIs, as well as things we'd like to see in a port.
Aside from the trolling from the usual people like meraco, it's been positive and encouraging.
The moderators are NOT employees of Aspyr, Firaxis or 2K Games. They are "volunteer" moderators who don't seem to have any responsibility to any of the involved companies. The moderators do not seem to have any direct connection or communication with Aspyr/Firaxis/2K Games, they get all their updates from Twitter and other social media just like the rest of us.
Thread:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/289070/discussions/0/364042063110545181/?ctp=6
NOTE: This thread has been heavily edited. Many of the supporting posts have been removed. I preserved a couple screenshots of my post just in case, but I wish I had the whole thing. Maybe some of the other community members can fill in some of the gaps here.
What's happening:
The mods are attacking the Linux community, citing rules violations for expressing support of a Linux port.
We begin, not suprisingly, with the user, meraco. Which you've likely heard of before. This time the mods jump on his bandwagon.
Banned.
This ban really bothers me.
This is what unacceptable developer/publisher support looks like.
A professional troll at work
Several users, myself included, have been banned. Many posts by many more users have been selectively erased to dismantle the consensus of support. None of the [notably anti-Linux] trolls have been banned, however.
The post that got me banned.
My ban notification.
Annnnnd throwing it down the memory hole.
From the 2K Games forum rules:
Should people be arguing with mods in general? No. Probably not.
Should mods visibly undermine Linux discussions? No. Probably not.
Should people be banned for respectfully staying on-topic? Again, No. Definitely not.
Moderation is a responsibility, not a position of power to arbitrarily abuse others for political reasons. If we cannot respectfully discuss these abuses in order to reinstate a positive atmosphere, we are only going to continue to be abused.
We've reached out to Aspyr on this issue. This was their reply:
Thanks again to Aspyr for being Linux champions.
As of writing this we've yet to receive a response from Firaxis or 2K Games.
Notes from liamdawe, the editor
Showing support for Linux games is great, but people like "meraco" should be completely ignored. Do not rise to their apparent trolling by quoting them or replying to them. They and other anti-Linux posters feed on your replies. Just don't rise to them, you make it worse by doing so. The moderators likely would have ignored it if people didn't rise to the trolls.
As for posting "+1", that alone is spam (by Steam's standards) so be sure to reply with more than that.
It's also never a good idea to discuss a moderators actions in public on Steam, as that will obviously have repercussions. Same goes for claiming it's some sort of dictatorship. That goes for any website, not just Steam.
As always, if you want to show support for a Linux port be smart about it. Feel free to use our forum at any time and link developers to it. I won't go around locking them. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
Note: This is also discussed in this Steam group.
The Steam topic in question is about Linux support, wherein we, the Linux community have been expressing interest and support of the possibly upcoming Linux release by Aspyr. We've also been talking about technical challenges, APIs, as well as things we'd like to see in a port.
Aside from the trolling from the usual people like meraco, it's been positive and encouraging.
The moderators are NOT employees of Aspyr, Firaxis or 2K Games. They are "volunteer" moderators who don't seem to have any responsibility to any of the involved companies. The moderators do not seem to have any direct connection or communication with Aspyr/Firaxis/2K Games, they get all their updates from Twitter and other social media just like the rest of us.
Thread:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/289070/discussions/0/364042063110545181/?ctp=6
NOTE: This thread has been heavily edited. Many of the supporting posts have been removed. I preserved a couple screenshots of my post just in case, but I wish I had the whole thing. Maybe some of the other community members can fill in some of the gaps here.
What's happening:
The mods are attacking the Linux community, citing rules violations for expressing support of a Linux port.
We begin, not suprisingly, with the user, meraco. Which you've likely heard of before. This time the mods jump on his bandwagon.
Banned.
This ban really bothers me.
This is what unacceptable developer/publisher support looks like.
A professional troll at work
Several users, myself included, have been banned. Many posts by many more users have been selectively erased to dismantle the consensus of support. None of the [notably anti-Linux] trolls have been banned, however.
The post that got me banned.
My ban notification.
Annnnnd throwing it down the memory hole.
From the 2K Games forum rules:
Quote1. Be a Contributor
The 2K forums host civil discussions on a variety of topics, and we always want to keep the conversation welcoming, inclusive, and a positive experience.
Should people be arguing with mods in general? No. Probably not.
Should mods visibly undermine Linux discussions? No. Probably not.
Should people be banned for respectfully staying on-topic? Again, No. Definitely not.
Moderation is a responsibility, not a position of power to arbitrarily abuse others for political reasons. If we cannot respectfully discuss these abuses in order to reinstate a positive atmosphere, we are only going to continue to be abused.
We've reached out to Aspyr on this issue. This was their reply:
QuoteThank you so much for bringing this to our attention. The last thing we want is for players to feel ostracized. I have forwarded this email to those who monitor our forums and we will be discussing what to do shortly.
Again, thank you so much for your concern for this community. We really do appreciate it!
Thanks again to Aspyr for being Linux champions.
As of writing this we've yet to receive a response from Firaxis or 2K Games.
Notes from liamdawe, the editor
Showing support for Linux games is great, but people like "meraco" should be completely ignored. Do not rise to their apparent trolling by quoting them or replying to them. They and other anti-Linux posters feed on your replies. Just don't rise to them, you make it worse by doing so. The moderators likely would have ignored it if people didn't rise to the trolls.
As for posting "+1", that alone is spam (by Steam's standards) so be sure to reply with more than that.
It's also never a good idea to discuss a moderators actions in public on Steam, as that will obviously have repercussions. Same goes for claiming it's some sort of dictatorship. That goes for any website, not just Steam.
As always, if you want to show support for a Linux port be smart about it. Feel free to use our forum at any time and link developers to it. I won't go around locking them. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Last edited by Aimela on 20 December 2016 at 3:35 pm UTC
No
Totally true. Cookies before, to get the Linux version done and wallet, to buy the game that got released because of the cookies. :)
Something that never is smart in an official game forums is mentioning piracy. They tend react very badly to that, regardless of context.
I got a thread deleted from Kerbal Space program forums for mentioning bittorrent. The warning PM said to not mention it because it is used for piracy. The thing is, it was when the update to official release came, and the first few days the servers were so swamped with download requests that most people couldn't download it. I just suggested they use bittorrent to keep server costs down and still have working and fast downloads, and I mentioned Humble Bundle as an example, because Humble Bundle has bittorrent as a download option. The post wasn't really related to piracy in any way, I didn't mention piracy, I didn't even hint at it. But the mod thought bittorrent = Piracy. Point is, forum mods are very twitchy when it comes to piracy.
Maybe from now on, when referring to this guy, we should say "THE troll that must not be named" or something to keep from even giving him a mention ever again :)
If I buy product I want get full quality product - not semiquality.
I pay full price for CIV5 on Steam because I want support ASPYR directly, although I could save money, and buy CIV 5 in local Polish store for a few cents. But I pay for it full price on steam and buy it with all dlc. So I should get full qutality game like get Windows players. Yes? So why not get it? Because developer not want or not can. Not can probably not because as You can see, russian pirates can implement additions language from Windows version into Linux. So why? Because developer not want? or not have time? Then they should say - look, we do not have time for this. But no...
It like DRM denuvo. If you buy game with it. Probably you get worse performance and few other issues and pirates? If they crack it, they not pay any cents for game and get it with no DRM and probably better performance. So they have better quality.
I've never been an advocate of piracy. I'm not going to be. This is badly. But if pirates can in one day add the missing languages to the game, and the developer of the Linux version in a few years not. It's probably something is wrong.
So if future ports for Linux from Aspyr will be of poor quality, to be honest, that sooner consider buying a cheap key in a Polish local store, eg. from CD Projekt on cdp.pl than Steam. Because paying the full amount on Steam for a product that is worse in quality to the product for Windows or even a pirate version for Linux is a complete misunderstanding.
Especially if in my country on Steam I have to pay in euros and one euro costs 4.4 PLN. What gives 39 euro = 172 PLN. For the price you can buy in my country at least three good games in the form of a key Steam. Paying that amount is not cost effective especially when in the country minimum wage is 1,286 PLN and the price of the game is 172 PLN. To lot ... So as you can see, support developer who simply abandoned you, it's not worth.
I can understand developer - they not have time, they can't talk about future patch and etc but not moderators who banned for saying something true.
Last edited by DamonLinuxPL on 20 December 2016 at 4:14 pm UTC
That is exactly how he wants you to feel man. Don't feed the troll. Just ignore. Trolls lifeblood feeds from all kinds of negativity and make-feel-bad
You mention meraco and accuse him of something you don't actually have any proof of (or at least provide any proof of here) and his response is far more reasonable than your characterisation of him.
This type of article looks like a call to arms against particular individuals. Is it any wonder that linux gamers get a reputation for toxicity?
We've discussed this several times here. My opinion is that these post do not qualify as spam.
The rule is "Do not do any of the following: Post spam (i.e. +1, 10char, rickrolls)"
These are meant as examples of pure spam that is bloating forums with no content.
"+1" posts of people asking for a port is the opposite, IMHO.
It's potential customers, and thus it's potantially important information for developers and publishers.
So, if you just read the wording, yes, a pure "+1" post would be consideres spam.
If you care for the meaning of the rule, it cannot be considered spam in my opinion.
It's not like say rick-rolling at all.
When I first read about him in a Linux forum, I looked at his last posts and starting actually defending him. Then I went to such a thread and asked him some clear questions. His reactions were trollish. I read more from him over time. He's clearly toxic. He once proudly told that due to his poisoning, such a thread was shut down. Meraco is a troll.