It appears some people in the community just want to see me fail, but others just outright don't know what they are talking about. I want to put some claims about us ripping off others work to rest.
The fact is, we and other sites do have some crossover in content. This is impossible not to have, since we are interested in some of the same stuff and we are subscribed to the same mailing lists, following the same RSS feeds, same Twitter feeds and so on.
Recently there have been some baseless claims that I have been ripping off Phoronix. Due to posting about Mesa, but to make this very clear that is not true. I am subscribed to the exact same public mailing lists and I included a shot of it sat in my inbox to help:
That's only my personal email box, I also have our official gamingonlinux email inboxes with their own subscribed lists.
That led to further claims like this:
To make it really clear. Here's three articles right away showing how little I care about linking to Phoronix 1 - 2 - 3. Notice the very clear links to Phoronix. You will see in 99% of articles I clearly link to places that I either got the information from, or who inspired me to write about the subject.
As some more examples, the article I wrote about ditching SteamOS in favour of a normal distribution. You will see the very clear link in it to BoilingSteam as they inspired the article.
I could pull out a near endless list of our articles where we source people far and wide. Okay, so not nearly endless, but you get the idea.
Any regular reader of GOL will know we credit our sources in a very clear way. I am not afraid of linking to a source of information. Why would I be? I don't depend on revenue from every single page visit as we don't have adverts. I don't need to worry about sending you elsewhere with source links.
Then it leads me to this:
Yes, we do ban people and remove content when it breaks our few short rules, or when you outright attack other people or me directly. GOL is not reddit, our website is not a safe haven for personal attacks to be made. Freedom of speech does not apply on a privately run website that prides itself on having a respectful community. Break our rules and we will deal with it, it's a simple thing to understand.
It's also funny, because a moderator of /r/linux_gaming replied to that post telling them "To disabuse you of that perception: Keep behaving like a twat and I'll ban you.". The moderators on /r/linux_gaming do a pretty good job!
No one is perfect and I sure as hell am not, but I am trying to do interesting stuff and dealing with people trying to discredit me is becoming more of a hassle. I will not give up, so don't worry about that. I just want to make sure that when people read stuff like that, not to believe it.
I also had to come to terms with the fact that other people will likely have the same sources as me, so to people like Phoronix who I have at times poked with "you didn't source us!" or some junk, I apologise.
Also, I recently became an Antergos convert, you should all try it. It's really great and surprisingly way more stable than Ubuntu has ever been for me.
Now, can we move on, stop claiming silly things and let me do the job my Patreon supporters pay me to do? Thank you <3 Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
The fact is, we and other sites do have some crossover in content. This is impossible not to have, since we are interested in some of the same stuff and we are subscribed to the same mailing lists, following the same RSS feeds, same Twitter feeds and so on.
Recently there have been some baseless claims that I have been ripping off Phoronix. Due to posting about Mesa, but to make this very clear that is not true. I am subscribed to the exact same public mailing lists and I included a shot of it sat in my inbox to help:
That's only my personal email box, I also have our official gamingonlinux email inboxes with their own subscribed lists.
That led to further claims like this:
QuoteEveryone knows that Liam rips off every possible source but they give him a pass because he spends time for the linux gaming cause.
To make it really clear. Here's three articles right away showing how little I care about linking to Phoronix 1 - 2 - 3. Notice the very clear links to Phoronix. You will see in 99% of articles I clearly link to places that I either got the information from, or who inspired me to write about the subject.
As some more examples, the article I wrote about ditching SteamOS in favour of a normal distribution. You will see the very clear link in it to BoilingSteam as they inspired the article.
I could pull out a near endless list of our articles where we source people far and wide. Okay, so not nearly endless, but you get the idea.
Any regular reader of GOL will know we credit our sources in a very clear way. I am not afraid of linking to a source of information. Why would I be? I don't depend on revenue from every single page visit as we don't have adverts. I don't need to worry about sending you elsewhere with source links.
Then it leads me to this:
QuoteIf I was you I would NEVER waste your time on GamingOnLinux.com - Liam doesn't value "freedom of speech" and has no problem banning and censoring content which he deems contraversial or which personally pisses him off or rubs him wrong.
Trust me, you're far better off on a forum with no dictator like /r/linux_gaming or the Google+ group IMO.
Yes, we do ban people and remove content when it breaks our few short rules, or when you outright attack other people or me directly. GOL is not reddit, our website is not a safe haven for personal attacks to be made. Freedom of speech does not apply on a privately run website that prides itself on having a respectful community. Break our rules and we will deal with it, it's a simple thing to understand.
It's also funny, because a moderator of /r/linux_gaming replied to that post telling them "To disabuse you of that perception: Keep behaving like a twat and I'll ban you.". The moderators on /r/linux_gaming do a pretty good job!
No one is perfect and I sure as hell am not, but I am trying to do interesting stuff and dealing with people trying to discredit me is becoming more of a hassle. I will not give up, so don't worry about that. I just want to make sure that when people read stuff like that, not to believe it.
I also had to come to terms with the fact that other people will likely have the same sources as me, so to people like Phoronix who I have at times poked with "you didn't source us!" or some junk, I apologise.
Also, I recently became an Antergos convert, you should all try it. It's really great and surprisingly way more stable than Ubuntu has ever been for me.
Now, can we move on, stop claiming silly things and let me do the job my Patreon supporters pay me to do? Thank you <3 Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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cRaZy-bisCuiT Jan 18, 2017
Thanks for the article! I never thought you do rip off anything. Ofc there're some analogies between sites which cover almost the same topic.
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There is so little information about Linux games that every sites that talk about it will end up talking about the same things. And every site that gets some recognition ends up interacting with the same people and getting the same news from the same sources.
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Cam'on liam! ignore those trolls! as bigger your site become, harder trolls will be. It was just a big finall troll boss. Just win him with ignoring!
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it's sad when articles like this have to be written.
some people like to really get under your skin for little to no good reason.
congrats on being a new arch based user :) Antergos uses the standard Arch repos plus their own custom repo, I even have their repo setup in my arch build for keeping pamac updated. it does seem to make installing Arch as simple as installing Ubuntu or any other main stream distro.
some people like to really get under your skin for little to no good reason.
congrats on being a new arch based user :) Antergos uses the standard Arch repos plus their own custom repo, I even have their repo setup in my arch build for keeping pamac updated. it does seem to make installing Arch as simple as installing Ubuntu or any other main stream distro.
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You should just ignore those posts, Liam. The exact same accusations are found against pretty much every news outlet on the entire internet, regardless of area or level of professionalism. Don't feed the trolls.
That said, I do agree that you've been a tad too thin skinned in the past. That seems to have become a lot better now though, something that I personally appreciate.
But yeah - just ignore these. Rest assured that everyone out there that reaches a certain level of attention eventually will be met with those accusations. It's almost a sign of success in itself.
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That said, I do agree that you've been a tad too thin skinned in the past. That seems to have become a lot better now though, something that I personally appreciate.
But yeah - just ignore these. Rest assured that everyone out there that reaches a certain level of attention eventually will be met with those accusations. It's almost a sign of success in itself.
Last edited by Beamboom on 18 January 2017 at 2:42 pm UTC
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eddie-foss Jan 18, 2017
Who da hell is thinking that?
AFAIK no news has copyright and only the news subject can claim something;
Well, I always read both but never saw any rip off here, but by the forums I prefer to post here in GOL because Phoronix people is less flexible and less comprehensive. I feel that you, Liam, accomplished a healthy community here and I feel good to be here, thanks man.
And... I'm sorry my bad english, I'm brazilian living in Japan and it's very hard to not forget how speak english when you use less and less frequently...
AFAIK no news has copyright and only the news subject can claim something;
Well, I always read both but never saw any rip off here, but by the forums I prefer to post here in GOL because Phoronix people is less flexible and less comprehensive. I feel that you, Liam, accomplished a healthy community here and I feel good to be here, thanks man.
And... I'm sorry my bad english, I'm brazilian living in Japan and it's very hard to not forget how speak english when you use less and less frequently...
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[email protected] Jan 18, 2017
I read both.
Mike @ Phoronix has a different audience. Sure, sometimes things overlap but he's more focused on benchmarking, testing and general Linux news.
For gaming, i look to this site.
Mike @ Phoronix has a different audience. Sure, sometimes things overlap but he's more focused on benchmarking, testing and general Linux news.
For gaming, i look to this site.
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TuxThePenguin Jan 18, 2017
Just registered to say you're doing a great Job, Keep it up.
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Quoting: BeamboomThat said, I do agree that you've been a tad too thin skinned in the past. That seems to have become a lot better now though, something that I personally appreciate.Oh trust me, I have an entire roll of tinfoil and duct tape covering my entire body that no silly words will penetrate. They can try to discredit me and troll me and harass me, but I shall not give in :)
GOL is forever here to stay.
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Haters gonna hate...
Keep up the great work Liam and try to focus more on the positive people around here.
Keep up the great work Liam and try to focus more on the positive people around here.
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boltronics Jan 18, 2017
I don't read Reddit, so wasn't aware of the accusations people were throwing around. I know a while back there were people here saying "I don't visit that other site" which I never quite understood, but I could easily imagine there would be some tension between fans of each site. I know Michael's articles can be sensationalist and even click-baity at times, but he does a great job of keeping people informed of matters which they otherwise would not be aware.
I do regularly read both websites, and while there is some clear overlap, they are both great news sources and have different focuses. Phoronix generally seems to focus more on benchmarks and various project developments - related not just to gaming, but virtualisation, networking, file systems, etc. All free software bleeding edge tech news, and only very light gaming-specific news (aside from benchmarks and a few things like major game releases). GamingOnLinux as the name implies, focuses more on game releases, game development, game reviews, game sales, graphics drivers, opinion pieces, etc. related to GNU/Linux.
Phoronix is more geared up towards technical talk about driver development and performance since Michael's got the whole OpenBencharking setup (and he's been in the game years longer), but Liam often spends a lot of time actually playing the games he writes about - something Michael admits he doesn't have time to do. I find it very useful to get both perspectives.
When I see an article about a new Mesa git commit published by both Phoronix and GamingOnLinux, to me that means the commit is exciting from both points of view and is especially interesting news. To automatically assume one site is ripping off the other feels like needlessly jumping to conclusions and being a bit narrow-minded. I can only suggest to Liam and Michael to not let such comments bother you. As the comment above says, "haters goanna hate". Everyone else thinks you're both doing a great job - the people that matter.
I do regularly read both websites, and while there is some clear overlap, they are both great news sources and have different focuses. Phoronix generally seems to focus more on benchmarks and various project developments - related not just to gaming, but virtualisation, networking, file systems, etc. All free software bleeding edge tech news, and only very light gaming-specific news (aside from benchmarks and a few things like major game releases). GamingOnLinux as the name implies, focuses more on game releases, game development, game reviews, game sales, graphics drivers, opinion pieces, etc. related to GNU/Linux.
Phoronix is more geared up towards technical talk about driver development and performance since Michael's got the whole OpenBencharking setup (and he's been in the game years longer), but Liam often spends a lot of time actually playing the games he writes about - something Michael admits he doesn't have time to do. I find it very useful to get both perspectives.
When I see an article about a new Mesa git commit published by both Phoronix and GamingOnLinux, to me that means the commit is exciting from both points of view and is especially interesting news. To automatically assume one site is ripping off the other feels like needlessly jumping to conclusions and being a bit narrow-minded. I can only suggest to Liam and Michael to not let such comments bother you. As the comment above says, "haters goanna hate". Everyone else thinks you're both doing a great job - the people that matter.
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Quotef I was you I would NEVER waste your time on GamingOnLinux.com - Liam doesn't value "freedom of speech" and has no problem banning and censoring content which he deems contraversial or which personally pisses him off or rubs him wrong.So there still exists people who confuses "freedom of speech" with "freedom to bully" or that think that spreading directly false information and lies should always be without consequences.
Trust me, you're far better off on a forum with no dictator like /r/linux_gaming or the Google+ group IMO.
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Kinda sad you have to do a article like this, seems people have know idea what or that email/dev lists exist :O
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It is always hilarious when Americans believe their first amendment right applies to everything when in fact it only applies to their government.
Liam, do not pay attention to those that doubt you. You do a great job here. Thank you.
Liam, do not pay attention to those that doubt you. You do a great job here. Thank you.
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The only --- let's call them "people" --- who would make such a ludicrous claim about GoL are benighted, banal mouth breathers who are unable or unwilling to understand the nature of media and journalism, especially in the echo chamber that is the internet.
These "people" don't know that for the past few centuries, if there's news to report upon, then multiple people will report upon it. The first person to report upon a story can claim bragging rights that he or she got "the scoop," but that's it. There is no right to exclusivity in a publicly reported news item.
These "people" often misunderstand (inasmuch as they can be said to understand it at all) their Right to "Freedom of Speech" to mean that they have a right to be listened to and receive the undivided attention of anyone within earshot.
I'm glad you wrote this editorial, Liam. You're right not to ignore the squawking and quacking of bigots, false accusers and crackpots. To allow these cretins to gibber inanities amongst the reasonable is to allow another to slaver and drool upon one's dinner plate. Overwhelm them with truth and, if necessary, drive them to the frigid gloom beyond the edges of society where they can feast on the excrement of their fellow dullards.
These "people" don't know that for the past few centuries, if there's news to report upon, then multiple people will report upon it. The first person to report upon a story can claim bragging rights that he or she got "the scoop," but that's it. There is no right to exclusivity in a publicly reported news item.
These "people" often misunderstand (inasmuch as they can be said to understand it at all) their Right to "Freedom of Speech" to mean that they have a right to be listened to and receive the undivided attention of anyone within earshot.
I'm glad you wrote this editorial, Liam. You're right not to ignore the squawking and quacking of bigots, false accusers and crackpots. To allow these cretins to gibber inanities amongst the reasonable is to allow another to slaver and drool upon one's dinner plate. Overwhelm them with truth and, if necessary, drive them to the frigid gloom beyond the edges of society where they can feast on the excrement of their fellow dullards.
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Oh, and Liam, about Antergos, I hope you'll write up a review once you've spent more time with it. With the upcoming changes to Ubuntu over the next couple of years, I'm anticipating I'll want to switch to another distro. I'll be interested in what you have to say.
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Quoting: PicoboomOh, and Liam, about Antergos, I hope you'll write up a review once you've spent more time with it. With the upcoming changes to Ubuntu over the next couple of years, I'm anticipating I'll want to switch to another distro. I'll be interested in what you have to say.I've been thinking on that very topic :)
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Liam, you must answer this burning question for me :P
How did you become an Antergos convert? :D
How did you become an Antergos convert? :D
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Quoting: JudasIscariotLiam, you must answer this burning question for me :PBlame our IRC channel for that!
How did you become an Antergos convert? :D
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Quoting: liamdaweQuoting: JudasIscariotLiam, you must answer this burning question for me :PBlame our IRC channel for that!
How did you become an Antergos convert? :D
Very nice :D Glad to hear it's working out for you :)
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