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Quoting: boltronics

Quoting: liamdawepeople get really freaked out over such tiny things. Would love to have so little on my plate to worry about a random zero byte update in a Steam list...

Way to troll your audience mate.

It's called a joke, mate. People get irate about such small things. A zero byte download is nothing to get flustered about, so it pops up and does nothing, so what? Yeah they should fix it, but it's not exactly breaking or harming anything is it? It's so low on their list, they have tons of other stuff to fix.

I get zero byte downloads on plenty of workshop items most days, so what?

Quoting: boltronics

Quoting: liamdaweI get plenty of games that do a similar thing

Really? Not that I've heard of or seen. Which ones?

I get this occasionally too - couldn't even tell you what games, I just ignore it. I had two such zero-byte downloads on Sunday just gone, with two "real" updates. It happens occasionally.

As Liam notes, it's odd how worked up folk get over such a things.

Quoting: liamdaweIt's called a joke, mate. People get irate about such small things. A zero byte download is nothing to get flustered about, so it pops up and does nothing, so what? Yeah they should fix it, but it's not exactly breaking or harming anything is it? It's so low on their list, they have tons of other stuff to fix.

I get zero byte downloads on plenty of workshop items most days, so what?

You call it a joke, and then go on to explain how it's not a joke. So which is it? Maybe you just call it a joke because you enjoy laughing at people?

I'm opening up Steam all the time when I'm running Wine tests, which I sometimes spend all weekend doing. I used to be able to see immediately what had changed, but now it's not so clear unless I click on Downloads every time. It's particularly annoying because it takes time for it to determine it's a 0kb download, so I basically need to click Downloads maybe a hundred times over the course of a day to check if I'm good to close Steam (or just ignore keeping my prefixes up updated) - yes, I literally have hundreds of Wine prefixes with individual Steam installations for testing. It's not the end of the world, but it's an annoyance. Obviously more for me than for you, but that doesn't make it any less real.

What seems to have been forgotten was that I already explained it was just an example. I gave a second example in a later comment to further illustrate this, which was ignored. Oh well.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: boltronicsI'd love to see Bethesda, Ubisoft or EA test the waters with a GNU/Linux release or two this year. To be fair, Ubisoft already did in late 2015 with Grow Home, but then for 2016 decided not to bother porting the sequel Grow Up (yet, at least). Too bad they didn't try porting a more well known title, and too bad they released the GNU/Linux port so long after Windows, so not exactly a fair test.

And too bad the EULA for Grow Home said "we can install whatever DRM crap we want on your system", which is the reason why I didn’t buy it.

That's a fair point. The game still runs unprivileged, and I have Steam installed under firejail to restrict whatever damage and access Steam has (so it can't see my home directory files, for example). But it doesn't prevent DRM schemes from messing with your ability to reinstall or whatever.

Quoting: boltronicsYou call it a joke, and then go on to explain how it's not a joke. So which is it? Maybe you just call it a joke because you enjoy laughing at people?

Really...? Are you seriously comparing poking a bit of fun at us all to a complete lack of respect on Liam's part? Is there no part of you that can accept that a zero byte download in your Steam queue is a /r/firstworldproblem and getting worked up about it is a bit silly?

Quoting: scaineReally...? Are you seriously comparing poking a bit of fun at us all to a complete lack of respect on Liam's part? Is there no part of you that can accept that a zero byte download in your Steam queue is a /r/firstworldproblem and getting worked up about it is a bit silly?

"poking a bit of fun at us all" - that's what you call it? I pointed out an obvious bug (clearly so since apparently everyone knows about it) and then pointed out a second recent bug - which I have indicated multiple times were examples. I could list more, but Liam even said himself, "they have tons of other stuff to fix". Not sure why you feel the need to hassle me for this.

As two of the people who run the site, I would expect more professionalism. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and of course I have no objection to Liam and yourself stating that you disagree. But there's no need to belittle other people in doing so. If you can't see how it may look like that's what you're both doing, then perhaps I'm on the wrong website?

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Quoting: scaineNot sure why you feel the need to hassle me for this.

You insinuated a lack of respect I didn't agree with. That's not me "hassling" you any more than you were "hassling" Liam in the first place.

Quoting: boltronicsAs two of the people who run the site

Liam owns the site and I support him via Patreon and contribute the odd article, as indeed anyone can. To be clear, if I step out of line, I'll be banned as quickly as anyone else.

As for being "professional", I personally value the discussion that this site provokes and, unlike Steam, or Reddit, that discussion is usually based on respect, with perhaps a few heated exceptions! If you occasionally don't like the tone of a comment, that's not unprofessional, that's opinion, that's real life. Call it out, by all means, if you find it offensive, but it's easy to lose tone and nuance in a comment, easy to assume insult when none was intended. In the three or four years I've dealt with Liam, I've never found him to be the person you're suggesting he is; someone who laughs at other people for kicks.

To be clear: any porter is on the top of my most favourite list. Icculus has done so many good ports before it was even a thing. So anyone doing ports, thanks!
Furthermore: I mostly disagree with the lists, but heh, I should have taken the time to help compile the list.
Any game that takes more than 100h of my time is a good game I guess. Rocket League was "bundled" with my controller, and I think I looked at it for 10 minutes. As such I am surprised that no-one had mentioned Saints-Row... Which was definetly the surprise of the year 2016 for me. Alien Isolation, tomb raider, mad max, they were all surprising, but still, the biggest surprise was Saints-Row (early 2016), all others were big and happy surprises, but SR just showed me something has really changed. Deus Ex just was the final confirmation.
There were so many top titles in 2016, I cannot play all of them. Each game needs at least 100h from me to enjoy.
FCE for instance is at 1250 hours, Ark probably more than 100, each of the SR series probably all over 100h.
Man, this has to stop, I also need to work!

Quoting: ArdjeFCE for instance is at 1250 hours

Suspect the answer might be obvious but... what's FCE?

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Quoting: boltronics

Quoting: scaineNot sure why you feel the need to hassle me for this.

You insinuated a lack of respect I didn't agree with. That's not me "hassling" you any more than you were "hassling" Liam in the first place.

From your previous post:
"Really...?"
"Are you seriously"
"Is there no part of you that can accept"
"getting worked up"
"a bit silly?"

I wasn't looking for a debate. You're hassling. It seems you don't even recognize that you're doing it.

We're done here.