HITMAN for Linux officially announced, port by Feral Interactive and arriving this month

I would also prefer if Feral and others (Aspyr, Croteam…) made DRM-free releases on DRM-free platforms, because with Steam a tiny change by Valve can mean I don’t have access to my games anymore. Tomb Raider stopped working here, but I have no idea if it’s because of a game update (that are impossible to prevent with Steam), a Steam client update, or a system update. And that’s only one game but if the Steam client completely stops working then it’s bye bye to hundreds of games I paid for.

The positive thing about Steam is I can get a refund if the game doesn’t work or I don’t like it…

Many people seem to forget here that only a percentage of the money that you pay for a game goes to Steam/Valve - the rest goes to the publisher / developer of the game.

Which means that even if Steam went away, you still paid for your goods: To the publisher / developer. And I very much doubt that any sane company would just tell everyone to "just buy our games again" - first, because it's probably illegal in many countries, and second, would be a pr disaster.

I would also prefer if Feral and others (Aspyr, Croteam…) made DRM-free releases on DRM-free platforms, because with Steam a tiny change by Valve can mean I don’t have access to my games anymore. Tomb Raider stopped working here, but I have no idea if it’s because of a game update (that are impossible to prevent with Steam), a Steam client update, or a system update.

Then again, the later could happen with a DRM free download as well. If there's an update, Steam would automatically install it for you, while for a DRM free download, you would need to do yourself. If there's an update, that is (applies to both ways obviously).

Then again, the later could happen with a DRM free download as well. If there's an update, Steam would automatically install it for you, while for a DRM free download, you would need to do yourself. If there's an update, that is (applies to both ways obviously).

And there were updates made in the past which ruined your complete installation of a game - such happened for example with the newer releases for Darksiders. Making an update optional to be installed, even handled to be manual, this is no problem at all and just as a sidenote you are in control of your software, not a client.

Then again, the later could happen with a DRM free download as well. If there's an update, Steam would automatically install it for you, while for a DRM free download, you would need to do yourself. If there's an update, that is (applies to both ways obviously).

And there were updates made in the past which ruined your complete installation of a game - such happened for example with the newer releases for Darksiders. Making an update optional to be installed, even handled to be manual, this is no problem at all and just as a sidenote you are in control of your software, not a client.

You can turn off auto-updates on Steam.

You can turn off auto-updates on Steam.

Yes, I Know. But this is just an OPT-OUT instead of OPT-IN. But let's talk about this elsewhere within the forums for example. It was just another note and of course everybody is free to use what is fitting. In the end it matters that there is always a choice either using DRM or not. :)

All big releases go to Steam, that's basically a standard for PC gaming (apart from EA/Blizzard games). You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change.

Following that logic, all PC games should be released only on WINDOWS, because WINDOWS is THE STANDARD for PC gaming. You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change

...but, guess what? Indeed, a lot of people don't want to learn to live with it and don't want to accept those compromises and, indeed, they complain about it..

All those people who are against the standard for PC gaming are the reason why you have big games released on Linux.

When a publisher infect a game with DRM, is because that publisher doesn't trust its consumers.
A publisher that doesn't trust its consumers does not deserve a single penny.

No, you can’t.

No? Thought this was one possibility.
Perhaps with the OFFLINE-mode? Correct me if wrong, I have no Steam account and the last time checked was back in 2005, so long time ago.

You can turn off auto-updates on Steam.

No, you can’t.

It can be done per-game but not overall.

All big releases go to Steam, that's basically a standard for PC gaming (apart from EA/Blizzard games). You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change.

Following that logic, all PC games should be released only on WINDOWS, because WINDOWS is THE STANDARD for PC gaming. You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change

...but, guess what? Indeed, a lot of people don't want to learn to live with it and don't want to accept those compromises and, indeed, they complain about it..

All those people who are against the standard for PC gaming are the reason why you have big games released on Linux.

When a publisher infect a game with DRM, is because that publisher doesn't trust its consumers.
A publisher that doesn't trust its consumers does not deserve a single penny.

Of course I knew you would chime in here. This is a repeating argument now.

Steam has done a lot for us and Valve continues to push us forward. You're going to change nothing by not buying from Steam unless you can convince the hundreds of millions who do (like me) who actually like Steam.

When a publisher infect a game with DRM, is because that publisher doesn't trust its consumers.
A publisher that doesn't trust its consumers does not deserve a single penny.

You can use that same logic about games not being open source. I am also against closed source and DRM but I like games. My limit is if I have to give root access to a game to install it's DRM.

It can be done per-game but not overall.

Not in my Steam client.

Holy crap you're right, the option was removed.

It can be done per-game but not overall.

Not in my Steam client.

Holy crap you're right, the option was removed.

Wanted to look where the option is to show him - didn't find it either.

Erm, sorry what? Because millions of users using Steam so it is exactly nothing to worry about? That's a very questionable argument. Same to use for all the other closed services (to name some: Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, WhatsApp etc.). Following this everything can be seen relative or a compromise. There is nothing to do by convincing, either someone choose DRM-free or not. Even though time is for DRM-free: When the first games completely bound to those platforms goes classic they cannot be used any longer if those platforms are put to rest - just have a look on Games for Windows LIVE or multiplayer-modes over GameSpy. Besides: Centralization was, is and will be always bad! I can only speak out for myself: It is enough making older classics running throughout WINE and having DRM-free native games as closed source applications with no further boundaries for proprietary services. That's the maximum compromise for me, as I love games and further more the classics like The Dark Project or System Shock 1 / 2. And as long as there is a choice: It is okay. But this choice will grow more small as more users just bound themselves on those services, not being the owner of a license just renting it and it can be undone everytime. Of course it'll be some PR-desaster but do you really think the big players won't use that? They test us as users and how far they can do it until the first will cry louder. And having an eye on the concurrent situation: The mass don't even care about things like privacy or being literally owned from elsewhere / outside. The loud crying is going quiet as we are writing here! And a colorful, individual usage should be a major goal for us all, not being concentrated on those centralized monopolies. Going to the next store around the corner: There is no game or application without online-activation available. Freedom of choice? Not really! ;)


Last edited by throgh on 9 February 2017 at 7:52 pm UTC

You can turn off auto-updates on Steam.

No, you can’t.

Yes.you can.

Go to Settings-Downloads section

You will see download restrictions

Update games automatically between this hours,check this.

Set time of start and ending at 0:00,both.

Problem solved.

All big releases go to Steam, that's basically a standard for PC gaming (apart from EA/Blizzard games). You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change.

Following that logic, all PC games should be released only on WINDOWS, because WINDOWS is THE STANDARD for PC gaming. You either have to learn to live with it and accept some compromises, or stop complaining about it as it's likely not going to change

...but, guess what? Indeed, a lot of people don't want to learn to live with it and don't want to accept those compromises and, indeed, they complain about it..

All those people who are against the standard for PC gaming are the reason why you have big games released on Linux.

When a publisher infect a game with DRM, is because that publisher doesn't trust its consumers.
A publisher that doesn't trust its consumers does not deserve a single penny.

Ohhh,c'mon.

Most of Drm Free lovers are just wants this because of playing the game not infected for free.You all want it because of clean pirating.

Here's another example by monologues.

Organizer:Hey,dudes.Check this game out,it's so sweet.We should buy it.

Other fellas:Yeah,but it's so expensive and we're on Linux so that means our torrenting options are almost zero,mate.

O:No,there is another way.We're 7 guys,let's split the amount of game to 7.Give me your cuts.I will buy it from GOG and give away copies to each of us.

Hahha,get rekt devs.Problem solved...

Ohhh,c'mon.

Most of Drm Free lovers are just wants this because of playing the game not infected for free.You all want it because of clean pirating.

Here's another example by monologues.

Organizer:Hey,dudes.Check this game out,it's so sweet.We should buy it.

Other fellas:Yeah,but it's so expensive and we're on Linux so that means our torrenting options are almost zero,mate.

O:No,there is another way.We're 7 guys,let's split the amount of game to 7.Give me your cuts.I will buy it from GOG and give away copies to each of us.

Hahha,get rekt devs.Problem solved...

Oh yes, of course ... defaming people talking about criticism is always the best choice - not really, but worth a try as putting hands on the ears, mumbling to not listen. Because some people don't care about legal things, everyone talking about DRM is just another pirate. Really bad joke! :)

Ohhh,c'mon.

Most of Drm Free lovers are just wants this because of playing the game not infected for free.You all want it because of clean pirating.

Here's another example by monologues.

Organizer:Hey,dudes.Check this game out,it's so sweet.We should buy it.

Other fellas:Yeah,but it's so expensive and we're on Linux so that means our torrenting options are almost zero,mate.

O:No,there is another way.We're 7 guys,let's split the amount of game to 7.Give me your cuts.I will buy it from GOG and give away copies to each of us.

Hahha,get rekt devs.Problem solved...

Oh yes, of course ... defaming people talking about criticism is always the best choice - not really, but worth a try as putting hands on the ears, mumbling to not listen. Because some people don't care about legal things, everyone talking about DRM is just another pirate. Really bad joke! :)

If you can guarentee that Drm free releases are not open to abusing,then we will tell all developers -who works years on that games- to turn completely Drm free.

I bet if you were a dev,you will go with Drm,i'm pretty sure.

Drm lovers arguments are so lame actually and all of them hid a purpose under that words.They just don't want to pay,that's all.They're not giving a single shit besides that.

If you can guarentee that Drm free releases are not open to abusing,then we will tell all developers -who works years on that games- to turn completely Drm free.

I bet if you were a dev,you will go with Drm,i'm pretty sure.

Drm lovers arguments are so lame actually and all of them hid a purpose under that words.They just don't want to pay,that's all.They're not giving a single shit besides that.

You know what? I don't care about your so-called argumentation, because it is nothing more than a very cheap excuse. Instead bringing up a concrete point you just ranting about DRM-free. You are just generalizing, which is a very good indicator that you are not willing to discuss. Your view is the right one, end of talk? Not the reality and not so easy. I've paid for every license I own, even today I've got the package of the classic adventure Blade Runner, which is lying besides my desk now waiting for installation. And I've paid a good price for it, not cheap. Because? Yeah, as I've said: I love classic games, without DRM. So keep your proprietary platform and calm down. ;)

A game is not available DRM-free? I won't buy it and I won't use any version besides the official, because the publisher / developer don't want me or better the way I want to use it.


Last edited by throgh on 9 February 2017 at 8:39 pm UTC

They just don't want to pay,that's all.They're not giving a single shit besides that.

While I can't follow throgh's arguments, yours are worse. Just accept that he wants it for the sake of having a freedom without the purpose of actually abusing it.

If you can guarentee that Drm free releases are not open to abusing,then we will tell all developers -who works years on that games- to turn completely Drm free.

I bet if you were a dev,you will go with Drm,i'm pretty sure.

Drm lovers arguments are so lame actually and all of them hid a purpose under that words.They just don't want to pay,that's all.They're not giving a single shit besides that.

You know what? I don't care about your so-called argumentation, because it is nothing more than a very cheap excuse. Instead bringing up a concrete point you just ranting about DRM-free. You are just generalizing, which is a very good indicator that you are not willing to discuss. Your view is the right one, end of talk? Not the reality and not so easy. I've paid for every license I own, even today I've got the package of the classic adventure Blade Runner, which is lying besides my desk now waiting for installation. And I've paid a good price for it, not cheap. Because? Yeah, as I've said: I love classic games, without DRM. So keep your proprietary platform and calm down. ;)

A game is not available DRM-free? I won't buy it and I won't use any version besides the official, because the publisher / developer don't want me or better the way I want to use it.

Ok then.Good for you.

But don't cry for, why big games are have Drm kind.That's the order.Because always a possibility of legal pirating at Drm free.And big studios are normally cares about money.And with drm free i can guarentee that people will share drm free versions.And you,one person can't guarentee it.

Good luck with that

Ok then.Good for you.

But don't cry for, why big games are have Drm kind.That's the order.Because always a possibility of legal pirating at Drm free.And big studios are normally cares about money.And with drm free i can guarentee that people will share drm free versions.And you,one person can't guarentee it.

Good luck with that

Make a difference: I'm not crying, I'm criticizing. Either you are willing to participate with real arguments or not. And just as a reminder what operating-system is the base for this all here ... so yes, there is no guarantee at all. But you should make a difference between people willing to think about fair licenses, paying for them and people, not willing to pay, who are doubtful even no customers at all. The industry is always using them as general excuse for even more DRM-methods. Just have a look on software with more than just one dongle (DRM)! But thanks: Having luck with that. And I don't want to talk on that base, because the comment section is not meant to be used for such single-sided dialogues in my point of view. Good evening to everybody.


Last edited by throgh on 9 February 2017 at 9:13 pm UTC