Wine 2.2 released with even more Shader Model 5 instructions and work towards Direct3D command stream

Cool then I could tryout Venom Codename: Outbreak now on the ThinkPad I've updated with Coreboot two days ago - hope the harddisk arrives today, so I can install the basics and then running all on Trisquel. :D

Quoting: lucinosIn my case wine was pretty unimportant.

I must say that I am pleased we have all kind of users on this page - people who did not use Wine at all, people who used if from time to time and people who use it very often.
Personally I very often failed while trying to play a game that I used to love. But also - without a Wine I wouldn't be able to finish the Witcher or DIRT 3: Complete Edition.
What's more - thanks to Wine I received Linux version of the game that I love - Knights & Merchants.
And even if there are minor issues while playing Wine games, as I said I see Wine as very important project.
Of course Wine is not only about games, but for us, gamers, it is crucial to be up-to-date with games, that did not receive Linux versions. And when the day comes, that Wine will support DX11 in a way it will run Witcher 3, GTA V or Fallout 4 - I'm confident that many users will actually be very happy.

What's more as I said in previous post in this thread - I would love to have Wine ports of games that are ranked from platinum to silver available on Steam. The most important gain of using Steam is that you have all your games in one place and you don't have to install all the dependencies of the game - you just download the game and play it. And configuring Wine prefix is the biggest dissadvantage of Wine.
If Valve would somehow reword publishers that release titles as Wine ports if they are platinium/gold/silver and mark them as Wine / Beta versions, it would be brilliant. Steam OS would have bigger library, publishers would be reworded, Linux gamers would have bigger library, players on Windows will see that SteamOS expands.
Of course it would have disadvantage (and that's something that makes this whole wish unrealistic) - some of the titles would have serious issues, and people who would like to play those games would start the shitstorm - why the released game does not work or works partially.

Anyway, I wish myself and all you guys a great state of Wine.

I will start take Wine seriously when they implement proper X-input support and XBOX 360 controller will work in the games. Not only in the wine joystick preferences..

In this wine version need for speed most wanted allow change settings in game without crash

View video on youtube.com

Another interesting title is codename outbreak, in this wine version works (in test cinematics dont, cinematics folder must be renamed)

View video on youtube.com

However first chapter is possible played but when try second chapter appears many graphic bugs

^_^

What's more as I said in previous post in this thread - I would love to have Wine ports of games that are ranked from platinum to silver available on Steam. The most important gain of using Steam is that you have all your games in one place and you don't have to install all the dependencies of the game - you just download the game and play it. And configuring Wine prefix is the biggest dissadvantage of Wine.
If Valve would somehow reword publishers that release titles as Wine ports if they are platinium/gold/silver and mark them as Wine / Beta versions, it would be brilliant. Steam OS would have bigger library, publishers would be reworded, Linux gamers would have bigger library, players on Windows will see that SteamOS expands.
Of course it would have disadvantage (and that's something that makes this whole wish unrealistic) - some of the titles would have serious issues, and people who would like to play those games would start the shitstorm - why the released game does not work or works partially.

Anyway, I wish myself and all you guys a great state of Wine.[/quote]
While not a rating system I find play on linux list more useful than wines system also while using this site http://www.gamersonlinux.com/forum/forums/guides.20/ nearly all of the guides have little to no performance issues so if search for a game and there is a guide for pol chances are it will play just fine.

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: qptain NemoMore closely to the topic of the article, I wish someone would provide "specific games that work now" / "games that work better now" lists along with those updates. I know compiling those is actual work that somebody would have to do but it'd be very very neat to have them.

Was that aimed at me or the Wine guys?

Either or anyone, really! I don't think it matters much who does it. I just know I sure would love to see that info on GOL along with the updates. I would find it informative and encouraging.

mrdeathjr, thanks for immediately delivering! :D

Wine is good,it lets u play windows games....you are still a B category citizen, though.


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Quoting: X6205I will start take Wine seriously when they implement proper X-input support and XBOX 360 controller will work in the games. Not only in the wine joystick preferences..

Why dont you just use xbox 360 driver map the controller with a profile then just drop the files in which ever game you are trying to run and what do you know full compatibility with any game that needs a controller.

https://boilingsteam.com/a-step-by-step-guide-to-make-controllers-work-in-wine/

Quoting: mrdeathjrIn this wine version need for speed most wanted allow change settings in game without crash

View video on youtube.com

Another interesting title is codename outbreak, in this wine version works (in test cinematics dont, cinematics folder must be renamed)

View video on youtube.com

However first chapter is possible played but when try second chapter appears many graphic bugs

^_^

I know not a pc version but can get round that using the ps2 emulator which runs without any glitches and on a game that old you cant really spoil the graphics.

Quoting: LeopardIs there anyone knows how can we enable Gallium under native wine?Custom wine version is really needed?

You need Padoka PPA if using Ubuntu based distro. https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa

Quoting: lejimster

Quoting: LeopardIs there anyone knows how can we enable Gallium under native wine?Custom wine version is really needed?

You need Padoka PPA if using Ubuntu based distro. https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa

I'm already using it but in the wine there is only enable csmt,not gallium.I'm using Wine Staging,latest version.Provided by Wine Ubuntu Ppa


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Quoting: X6205I will start take Wine seriously when they implement proper X-input support and XBOX 360 controller will work in the games. Not only in the wine joystick preferences..

The Xbox controller does work in Wine, with X360ce.
I have a set of dll files (generated once with X360ce) that I just drop next to the Windows exec and that's it. The gamepad then is recognized, Xbox icons are displayed and force-feedback starts working.

That being said, looks like in the recent versions of Wine (somewhere between 1.9.18 and 2.1) this method stopped working. I don't follow the Wine change-log closely but I remember something about changes in input support that might be responsible for this.

Quoting: adamhmIn my view Wine is crucial for helping bring new users to Linux. If it wasn't for Wine I wouldn't have switched to Linux 4 years ago - I'd still be clinging to Win7 now, probably hoping for ReactOS to improve enough to be usable for gaming before support for Win7 ends. I wouldn't be trying to convince people to switch to Linux with giveaways, guides etc. as I currently do and I wouldn't be planning to make my next PC Linux-only.

I have literally hundreds of games (in addition to other software) that are Windows only and will never be natively available for Linux, built up over more than 25 years of gaming on DOS/Windows, and without Wine switching to Linux would have meant completely abandoning all of that.

In addition there are lots of other older games I'd like to play that I'd have to give up on ever playing on Linux if not for Wine. Although for me to consider buying any game with the intention of running it in Wine it has to be both DRM-free and cheap, as well as be likely to actually run well.

Word.. even back in 10 years ago when i switched to Linux, i wouldn't make it without wine, i was total WoW addict back then :) heck i even used wine for utorrent and foobar quite some time before i was happy with the native apps.

im still using wine for my music production, FL Studio. THere are nice native programs but starting from a scratch and with limited plugin support its not really a thing.


Wine project is amazing, what they have achieved. Keep on Rocking!

Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo

Quoting: no_information_hereI may be wrong, but I have never heard a dev say "We don't need to port to Linux, those people will just buy it anyway and use Wine."

I think John Carmack said something like that

That's not what he's saying. He just basically advocates for what VP and Feral (not sure about Aspyr) are doing today.

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI think John Carmack said something like that

That's not what he's saying. He just basically advocates for what VP and Feral (not sure about Aspyr) are doing today.

VP's eON might be very much like Wine, but AFAIK Feral's IndirectX is a source level shim, and hardly in the same category. They do not wrap Windows binaries or do runtime API translation.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI think John Carmack said something like that

That's not what he's saying. He just basically advocates for what VP and Feral (not sure about Aspyr) are doing today.

VP's eON might be very much like Wine, but AFAIK Feral's IndirectX is a source level shim, and hardly in the same category. They do not wrap Windows binaries or do runtime API translation.

Yes, they are different approaches, but the essence is that he advocates for Linux versions using a kind of "emulation of some sort" (sic) instead of "completely refactored, high performance native ports".
So basically released/supported Linux versions (whatever the method used) distributed on Steam as opposed to "those people will just buy it anyway and use Wine."

Just compiled it after the usual dependency hell. I did pick up a neat flag for make: make -j (number of cores) Compilation will go MUCH faster.


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Quoting: BladeforceIt's not just a case of wine being important for games that will never appear on Linux but also its important for these to be played on any system as windows is getting harder and harder to play these old games

Point. I get the impression Microsoft, as it finds its main competition for new versions of Windows is actually older versions of Windows resisting their planned obsolescence, is shifting away from its traditional emphasis on compatibility between versions--not so much wanting old software to fail to run on the new versions, as wanting new software to fail to run on the old versions so that people are forced to upgrade in order to use it.

For games, this tends to take care of itself because games keep requiring more and more powerful hardware--but for office software there's generally no need for a new box (which would ship with the new Windows) to use the latest version. If compatibility were maintained, there'd be nothing to stop someone from putting the latest office software and various other software on older computers running older versions of Windows for quite a long time. So if they want to keep pushing people onto the latest versions of Windows (which they do, both for the base sales and for other reasons relating to things like information access and control), not maintaining compatibility so well is an important tactic.

But this creates a potential opening for Linux. We could reach a point where Windows software older than a certain age can normally be expected to run better on Wine than on recent versions of Windows, giving holdouts on older Windows versions a powerful reason to switch rather than updating. This is starting to happen, both in the sense that there are such people switching and in the sense that some old software already does run better on Wine. But if it becomes a reliable situation and well known, it could help that trickle turn into a flood.

Go Wine!


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Quoting: qptain NemoWine increases the viability and appeal of moving to Linux and decreases those for staying on Windows.

What happens in the times that Windows becomes more of a black box and the windows compatibility is out of date?


Back on OS/2, OS/2 and Windows NT 3.51 were equal OSes. You could run DOS apps on NT, you could run DOS apps on NT, you could run Windows Apps on OS/2 and you could run OS/2 Apps on NT. (and of course you could run OS/2 Apps on OS/2 and Windows Apps on NT) But something happened, NT 4.0 and Windows 95 happened and they added newer Win32 APIs that were a black box and you couldn't run Windows Apps on OS/2. People would be like "Well, if I get NT 4.0, I can run Windows and OS/2 Apps, so I don't need OS/2".

Kinda like what's happening with Wine. Wine hasn't been at feature parity with Direct3d for the past 10 years wit the release of DX10, we just haven't noticed it because until the past 4 years, all Windows games had a DX9 mode to fallback on and hey look, Windows 10 has an Ubuntu Subsystem. So if you want to run Linux Software, Windows 10 is your one-stop shop. Does that remind you of the days when you could run both Windows and OS/2 Apps on NT, but you couldn't run newer Windows Apps on OS/2?


Windows having the ability to run new windows apps and new OS/2 Apps, (if any) but OS/2 was only compatible with legacy Windows ruined the viability of OS/2 just like the ability to only run legacy Windows on Linux is ruining the viability of Linux.


Last edited by commodore256 on 19 February 2017 at 12:01 am UTC

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: lejimster

Quoting: LeopardIs there anyone knows how can we enable Gallium under native wine?Custom wine version is really needed?

You need Padoka PPA if using Ubuntu based distro. https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa

I'm already using it but in the wine there is only enable csmt,not gallium.I'm using Wine Staging,latest version.Provided by Wine Ubuntu Ppa

My link didn't work properly... I think ive fixed it this time... But goto it. And read down to where it mentions gallium-nine.. They recommend using wine off another ppa. https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/mesa


Last edited by lejimster on 19 February 2017 at 12:14 am UTC