You might be wondering why this is news, well, Jonathan has never been particularly interested in doing Linux versions, usually claiming something about Linux gamers not buying games, or Linux just not being good enough. His last game The Witness never came to Linux too, so it's really great to know someone so vocal against doing Linux games might actually do another.
It's not just him though, he has someone else helping with compilers and making sure it's portable.
He was onstage at the Reboot Develop 2017 Conference showing off the game, when to my surprise he did show it running on Linux. See the video here, he shows it off a little and then shows it running on Ubuntu directly.
It's running on OpenGL 4, although he did note he strongly dislikes OpenGL so he will switch to something else "by the end".
Awesome stuff, really pleasing since Braid was fantastic and I've heard nothing but good things about The Witness, which I would still love to be able to play on Linux one day. Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: edoWhy is he not using the same custom engine used on The witness?
He's writing a new engine in a new programming language he developed.
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I watched the video, but still I didn't understand what the purpose of his new language. What problems does it solve that cannot be done in other modern languages ?
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Quoting: SpykerI watched the video, but still I didn't understand what the purpose of his new language. What problems does it solve that cannot be done in other modern languages ?
He explain it in the first video of this playlist why no other modern language is a perfect fit for gamedev:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmV5I2fxaiCKfxMBrNsU1kgKJXD3PkyxO
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I know Jonathan Blow is not a favorite among us Linux gamers, but I have been following his series of programming videos for quite a while now and I have a lot of respect for the guy, both for his knowledge and his intuition into what makes a good game programming language. For many years I ran C++ commercial programming teams under Unix and I was considered an expert on C++, but I never felt it was a natural language for programming. Unfortunately, C++ was always a language where you can do a function in 7 different ways, but you will need to put a lot of work in to find out which of those is an 80% reasonable solution. For personal use, I ditched C++ very quickly once Java became mainstream, as Java was like daylight compared to the C++ fog.
I think Jonathan Blow's language will be excellent 80% of the time for writing games, I just wished he had fully created it, rather than writing the Witness, but I guess he has got to pay his bills first. I am not surprised that his language is showcased on Linux, it is by far the best OS for new languages, and was one of the many reasons I personally moved from Windows to Linux. I wanted to play with what were then new languages and only available on Linux, like Google's Go, Firefox's Rust and Gnome's Vala. So please allow Jonathan more leeway, as I am sure Linux will benefit in the longer term from his work.
I think Jonathan Blow's language will be excellent 80% of the time for writing games, I just wished he had fully created it, rather than writing the Witness, but I guess he has got to pay his bills first. I am not surprised that his language is showcased on Linux, it is by far the best OS for new languages, and was one of the many reasons I personally moved from Windows to Linux. I wanted to play with what were then new languages and only available on Linux, like Google's Go, Firefox's Rust and Gnome's Vala. So please allow Jonathan more leeway, as I am sure Linux will benefit in the longer term from his work.
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ProfessorKaos64 Apr 20, 2017
Gotta love the after-lunch-special, G2A .
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Quoting: kibblesI don't know why Braid has so much acclaim. I gave it a try and that game was just boring and awful.
Fair enough; I found it focussed, engaging and well-crafted.
The attention to detail in the puzzles is mind-blowing (heh), but you do have to have a taste for the games specific implementation of puzzles.
I suspect most reviewers, being distracted by the artwork, ignored that it is just not a game suitable for everyone, or even for most people. The worst of the reviewers seemed rather smug and superior about liking the game when other people didn't.
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Whoa, what happened to Jonathan doing a presentation showing off on Linux?!
I'm shocked... in a positive way :)
I would have never expected that, but this is quite cool!
edit: ah okay, it's only one screenshot, just showing the game is also running on Linux.
Still cool enough ;)
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I'm shocked... in a positive way :)
I would have never expected that, but this is quite cool!
edit: ah okay, it's only one screenshot, just showing the game is also running on Linux.
Still cool enough ;)
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Yeah, well... Jonathan Blow may be a nice guy and all, making great games, I really disliked his aggressivity aginst Linux in general. He's a big voice in the indie game dev community, so what he says resounds a lot in many people's ears. I'm waiting for actions after that, not just "oh, I changed my mind". The Witness was a great occasion, he missed it. He's not the only one (hello 2dark) so I'm currently a bit fed up.
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Seems he is doing this game to prove that his upcoming laguage Jai is good enough to make a complex game in. And when you want to interest programmers interested in modern programming languages, you have to show that your code runs on Linux and macOS (and, preferably, other Unixes).
So it makes sense that he will build this game for Linux just to show it is possible, so that his language cannot be rejected by his audience on the presumption that it’s Windows-only. It doesn’t mean he starts loving Linux or he will do anything beyond this proof-of-concept on Linux ever.
Also, I’ve just read a few things about Jai here – I don’t have time to listen to Blow’s own presentations on Youtube right now to verify correctness of this source – and the section called WHY NOT USE C++/RUST/GO/D/SWIFT/HASKELL/LISP/ETC? gave actually not a single argument against using Rust… (and not that there are none – eg. ecosystem is still a bit immature, but games written in Rust still start appearing on Steam right now.
But, anyway, the Jai language itself looks quite nice for somebody who just wants a little bit more polished C, with a little easier (but still very manual and pretty cumbersome) memory management (and certainly better than C++ in that regard).
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So it makes sense that he will build this game for Linux just to show it is possible, so that his language cannot be rejected by his audience on the presumption that it’s Windows-only. It doesn’t mean he starts loving Linux or he will do anything beyond this proof-of-concept on Linux ever.
Also, I’ve just read a few things about Jai here – I don’t have time to listen to Blow’s own presentations on Youtube right now to verify correctness of this source – and the section called WHY NOT USE C++/RUST/GO/D/SWIFT/HASKELL/LISP/ETC? gave actually not a single argument against using Rust… (and not that there are none – eg. ecosystem is still a bit immature, but games written in Rust still start appearing on Steam right now.
But, anyway, the Jai language itself looks quite nice for somebody who just wants a little bit more polished C, with a little easier (but still very manual and pretty cumbersome) memory management (and certainly better than C++ in that regard).
Last edited by silmeth on 21 April 2017 at 2:54 pm UTC
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