Feral have released the Linux requirements to run Shogun 2 with NVIDIA, AMD & Intel supported

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardThat is their business model , selling Steam keys via their store.

Such business model doesn't stop them from selling keys through any store (GOG and Humble also offer keys functionality for instance). I start suspecting it's rather their attitude towards DRM that's causing them to do it, or it's not about DRM but they have some Steam exclusivity deal going on. From what I've heard though, Valve claim they don't make such deals, but I'm not convinced.

To clarify, this is not about why Feral don't release titles they already ported outside of Steam. Those titles are owned by publishers who don't release DRM-free, so it's not up to Feral. It's about why Feral pick only such titles to begin with (this is up to them already).

Actually i'm thinking that Feral is tied with main publishers decision.

If that game is not originally on any Drm Free store , than the Linux version won't make it too.

Feral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

Since they are porting AAA games , Windows versions of these games are not available on GOG or Humble Drm Free collection. So it is so natural these games are not on drm free stores. In fact ; so many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

GOG saw an empty place on Drm free area and jumped on it ; because they know you can't get nothing by copying Steam. So they do this because they want to be different , that's all. So this not a messiah or savior thing , just another business model.

Don't mind it, since Steam Linux games are mostly not Drm strict games. Just play it ; don't waste time.

Quoting: LeopardFeral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

There are DRM-free big budget games there, which are not ported to Linux yet. Initially I also thought it's just a coincidence, but when it happens consistently (there are zero titles ported by Feral that came out in DRM-free stores), it looks like coincidence less and less, and more like systematic or intentional issue.

I asked Feral about it explicitly, and it sounds like it's not a random thing:

QuoteQ: Do you plan to ever release any (future) ports on GOG? I don't think there are any games from you there yet.

A: Not at the moment, nope.

This tells me it's about attitude, not about chance.

Quoting: Leopardso many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

I don't think so. DRM was demonstrated to be futile again and again, so hopefully market isn't going in the direction of more of this insanity.


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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardFeral is a company which has some deals with companies and keep doing ports of their titles. Maybe Feral is choosing only-drm publishers on purpose ( which i don't think so,since games like Hitman don't have drm on Linux despite Windows) or that is just coincidence. ( probably that is the reason, since they're on AAA level)

There are DRM-free big budget games there, which are not ported to Linux yet. Initially I also thought it's just a coincidence, but when it happens consistently (there are zero titles ported by Feral that came out in DRM-free stores), it looks like coincidence less and less, and more like systematic or intentional issue.

I asked Feral about it explicitly, and it sounds like it's not a random thing:

QuoteQ: Do you plan to ever release any (future) ports on GOG? I don't think there are any games from you there yet.

A: Not at the moment, nope.

This tells me it's about attitude, not about chance.

Quoting: Leopardso many AAA games has drm ; that is the market is going.

I don't think so. DRM was demonstrated to be futile again and again, so hopefully market isn't going in the direction of more of this insanity.

I think you are simply miss understanding Drm.

I'm also against Denuvo like shitty Drm's or other DRM's that forces you to being online all the time.

Steam is a Drm'ed place and also GOG is. Because you will need account and games stored in it all the time ; both of them.

Different thing is ; you can't just copy the game folder (on some Steam games you can) and run it on another piece of machine without your account. Actually this is also forbidden on GOG.

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212806505-Can-I-enjoy-my-purchases-both-on-my-laptop-and-desktop-computer-at-home-

QuoteYes. We do not limit the number of installations or reinstallations, as long as you install your purchased games on computers in your household. So yeah, if you've got a render-farm in the basement, you might actually break the world record for the number of legal Witcher installations in one household. However, if you think about installing your game on a friend's machine or sharing it with others then please don't do it, okay?The same principle applies to movies - you're free to watch them anywhere you want, with anyone you want, as long as you don't share them with people who haven't purchased them.

Yet , you can share your library up to 10 people on Steam.

So you can see GOG Drm free games on internet which is served by some people and this causes abuses. Basically , people who are aware of that DRM free versions are sharing them with each other. That is sad but it is a fact.

So Steam is not such a hard ruler over the DRM , in fact it allows you to share them with others in a way.

Quoting: LeopardDifferent thing is ; you can't just copy the game folder (on some Steam games you can) and run it on another piece of machine without your account. Actually this is also forbidden on GOG.

You just quoted yourself the part which says that's it's permitted by GOG. Obviously no one permits copying it to others. We are talking about personal copies. DRM-free means there are no restrictions on it (for installation, backup and any other personal use). Having an account to buy something is not DRM.

Regardless, this topic is not about what DRM is, but about Feral being either DRM inclined, or interested in staying Steam exclusive for some reason.


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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Mountain ManThere's a SteamOS 2.0? When did that happen?

November 2015 so quite some time ago ;)

That was 2.0?

Yet, 2.0 was when they changed their base from Debian 7 to Debian 8. If I'm not mistaken it was the version they released back when the Steam Machines where to be released.

Quoting: ShmerlI wouldn't mind buying in Feral store, if they'll offer games there DRM-free. They don't however, they simply sell Steam keys now. I'd accept them selling keys for DRM-free stores, but that's not the case either, like explained above.

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoMaybe their ports are subsidized by Valve... That could explain the Steam exclusivity..

Something isn't straight here. I doubt it's a coincidence.

There's no conspiracy here, just stop :)

They go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

Ok, my desktop is way over the requirements. Now, please release it already, can't wait to sink hours conquering feudal Japan again.

Quoting: ShmerlRegardless, this topic is not about what DRM is, but about Feral being either DRM inclined, or interested in staying Steam exclusive for some reason.

Feral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

But whats the problem with Steam/Valve?
Do not forget...
Without Valve linux gaming would NOT EXIST like it is NOW.
Imagine the plenty of games before "Steam for Linux" launched. I think you would not like it.
DRM Software/Games is not evil. It's only a modern copy-protection - thats all and not more.

Quoting: liamdaweThey go where the main money is: Steam. It's going to be as simple as that. It's the same reason for a lot of developers.

How does that preclude them from releasing in other stores, unless they have Steam exclusivity preference? Blaming it on coincidence can go only so far.

Quoting: liamdaweIt's the same reason for a lot of developers.

For developers the reason is usually some hard lock-in, which they fell for. There is no reason to be exclusive otherwise. Exclusivity always means lost sales.


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Quoting: johndoeFeral are porters, not game developers.
They are definitely in one way bound to the deal with the publishers.

Read my post above, I explain there what my question is. And it's not about publishers obviously, it's about Feral.


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