Wine Staging 2.15 released with more Direct3D 11 improvements

Quoting: ShmerlLately, I wanted to make some tool like that myself, after realizing that POL is basically a dead project. But I'll probably stick to some basic scripts :)

POL (PlayOnLinux) is far from a dead project:
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-15403-POL_5.html

Quoting: legluondunetPOL (PlayOnLinux) is far from a dead project:
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-15403-POL_5.html

Ah, good to know that something is going on still. But I thought they were using Qt? This one is using Java (quite upsetting).


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The new POL is written in JAVA:
View video on youtube.com


Last edited by legluondunet on 25 August 2017 at 7:23 am UTC

Quoting: legluondunetThe new POL is written in JAVA

Poor choice for UI I think.

Quoting: CybolicWell, to be fair, Vineyard is also GTK2. I have a feeling there are a few people running statistical Windows programs on Puppy Linux who'd be rather upset with me if I upgraded to that bloated new GTK version ;P

Sure, and then they whine about every other modern feature they personally don't happen to need at this particular moment. They can always stick to an older version of the software. But obviously you should build a curses UI for them.

Quoting: ShmerlI don't like GTK in general. GTK2 is simply dead upstream as far as I know, and won't work with Wayland for instance. I expect some distros to start purging it in the future. Debian already plan to purge Qt 4.x for example.

Dead is a strong word. It's old, superseded by GTK3 and purely in maintenance mode, but it is well maintained. Too many large companies (like Red Hat for example) depend on it still.

Of course GTK2 won't get new features like Wayland support, and every active project should upgrade ASAP. Or switch toolkits if that's what they prefer, I don't really mind. QT is nice as well.

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Quoting: Cybolicbla bla Vineyard

Seems nice. Can we run programs and games with "primusrun" or "optirun", if so how?

Sort-of. If you use the "Programs" page to create a Desktop launcher, you can put a shell one-liner in the "Command" entry, so instead of just the path to the Windows executable, you can use something like "sh -c 'optirun $WINE whatever was originally in the entry field'" and Vineyard will run the command with the proper environment variables set.

Thanks. I installed the program from testing repo but unfortunately vineyard settings does not work properly for me. I cannot create a new prefix. Dialog says it is creating the prefix for a while and disappears but there is no prefix but default and drop down for selecting prefix is greyed out. Also most of the settings that I change goes back to default when I restart the app such as windows version. Anyway this app has so much potential, I wish you the best.

Oh, yikes. Could I get you to submit a bug report on GitHub for this with the terminal output included?

Ok, I created a new issue entry on github, hope that helps.

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Quoting: CybolicWell, to be fair, Vineyard is also GTK2. I have a feeling there are a few people running statistical Windows programs on Puppy Linux who'd be rather upset with me if I upgraded to that bloated new GTK version ;P

Sure, and then they whine about every other modern feature they personally don't happen to need at this particular moment. They can always stick to an older version of the software. But obviously you should build a curses UI for them. [...]

Well, I'm mostly basing it on my own experience, where I had to run a specific piece of graphing software for Windows for a math course on my previous aging laptop and there was no way I would ever be able to get it to run anything as new as GTK3.
Times may have changed though; I might need to run a poll at some point :)


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Quoting: CybolicWell, I'm mostly basing it on my own experience, where I had to run a specific piece of graphing software for Windows for a math course on my previous aging laptop and there was no way I would ever be able to get it to run anything as new as GTK3.

Hmm... I don't get why that should stop you from improving Vineyard. I'd imagine an older version of your software would work just fine in this case. Just leave GTK2 support in a low-effort maintenance branch or something.

Another interesting DX10 title works in this wine staging version is grandia II anniversary edition

View video on youtube.com

^_^

Quoting: ShmerlNot for gaming.

Especially for gaming, simply for the fact that most games produced for PC are still only available and produced for Windows. I’d say that for someone who always wants to play the latest and greatest titles on PC Windows still is the operating system of choice.

But really, even though I’m an avid and long-term Linux user I find the whole operating system discussion pretty tiresome. I think there are different operating systems for different needs and tastes and everyone should just choose the system that he or she likes the most and suits his or her needs best.


On topic: I think WINE is a great piece of software that has come a long way but like others I’ve made quite different experiences with it. Some games work out of the box, others have significant problems or don’t work at all or stop working after an update; and that can be quite frustrating.

I have to admit though that I never dived into the depth of WINE configuration. I can’t be bothered to fiddle around with all its different configurations and settings just to make a game work. Either a game runs out of the box or with only little intervention or I leave it be. I still keep an old pre-2.X WINE version around to be able to play LEGO Harry Potter properly. :-)