The Humble Down Under Bundle is a very good deal for Linux gamers

it's obviously egocentric for someone living in the south it's not down under. The aliens in antartica demand some respect.

For someone in the south, the north is down under. It's a fricking ball we're living on, man!

I hear you but I strongly believe that IGN deserves none of my money. While the deal is good, if I wanted those games in a DRM-FREE format I will look for them on itch.io and/or GOG.

So, it is actually not about DRM but personal hatred and vengeance…

I said "goodbye" to Humble Bundle. Will never come back.

Thanks boys for reminding me that I have a vestigial Humble lol IGN now account left to delete. And remember, you can't spell ignorant without IGN. ™

Seriously, guys/gals, do you really want it to become self-fulfilling prophecy?

So, it is actually not about DRM but personal hatred and vengeance…

Maybe but how so from your POV? If a company does business in a way that I am morally against and I do not want to support them is this now considered hatred and vengeance?

About your other question, I've been supporting Linux native game releases since the 90's. From UT99 forward, if the game supports Linux and I like the game, then I will probably support it. If the game supports Linux and I like it and it's DRM-FREE then I will definitely support it.

Let me know when IGN comes out and says that they WILL support Linux and DRM-FREE gaming with some clear goals and milestones with some kind of checks/balances in place and I will give them another look.

Til then I will continue to support Linux Gaming as I see fit.

Thanks boys for reminding me that I have a vestigial Humble lol IGN now account left to delete. And remember, you can't spell ignorant without IGN. ™

Seriously, guys/gals, do you really want it to become self-fulfilling prophecy?

Don't worry about it, buddy, as I'm pretty sure I don't represent the majority of Linux game buyers. I am the kind of person that abandons patronizing certain venues simply because they play ads. Not so Humble anymore will do just fine w/out me.

Maybe but how so from your POV?

"Nothing personal, it is just business."

If a company does business in a way that I am morally against and I do not want to support them is this now considered hatred and vengeance?

What exactly is so "morally unacceptable" in this particular deal? The fact that they do not provide DRM-free or Linux versions for all games in the bundle?

…if the game supports Linux and I like the game, then I will probably support it.

The games in the bundle are for Linux and DRM-free. Yet, you will not "support" (in the form of purchasing?) them… Well, maybe you just don't like them… But that has nothing to do with IGN or Humble Inc.… Oh, wait!

While the deal is good, if I wanted those games in a DRM-FREE format I will look for them on itch.io and/or GOG.

So… this is not about personal taste in games but IGN per se.

Let me know when IGN comes out and says that they WILL support Linux and DRM-FREE gaming with some clear goals and milestones with some kind of checks/balances in place and I will give them another look.

I'll try to not forget to inform you on such a development, but no promises! OK? :D

Til then I will continue to support Linux Gaming as I see fit.

That is your right and I am in no position to scold you on that. But, please, try to be aware of the fact that your actions are motivated by personal feelings (about past IGN's actions) and not rational thoughts about current event.

Not so Humble anymore will do just fine w/out me.

I like that name! "Not so Humble Inc." :P Sounds right!

P.S. I am also not above this: I will not give any money to "Larian Studios" and most probably will not buy "Divinity: Original Sin" despite its availability on Linux due to their actions (which I took as a personal insult) regarding the release of Linux version.

P.P.S. GOG… Armello… Does it sound any bells??? Like, this story? Yet, despite all of this GOG is totally OK to get DRM-FREE games, unlike despicable "Humble IGN"…


Last edited by Alm888 on 18 Oct 2017 at 5:01 pm UTC

"Nothing personal, it is just business."

???

What exactly is so "morally unacceptable" in this particular deal? The fact that they do not provide DRM-free or Linux versions for all games in the bundle?

Simply put they lie to the video gaming community for their personal gain.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4ws0c8/ign_and_other_gaming_news_sites_are_manipulating/

The games in the bundle are for Linux and DRM-free. Yet, you will not "support" (in the form of purchasing?) them… Well, maybe you just don't like them… But that has nothing to do with IGN or Humble Inc.… Oh, wait!

These games are available elsewhere, If I wanted them I would get them on the platforms I prefer.

So… this is not about personal taste in games but IGN per se.

Correct. I like ScreenCheat and picked it up via GOG awhile back.

I'll try to not forget to inform you on such a development, but no promises! OK? :D

I'm good either way.

That is your right and I am in no position to scold you on that. But, please, try to be aware of the fact that your actions are motivated by personal feelings (about past IGN's actions) and not rational thoughts about current event.

The people in that one issue I cited above, still work there so I don't think it's totally irrational.

P.S. I am also not above this: I will not give any money to "Larian Studios" and most probably will not buy "Divinity: Original Sin" despite its availability on Linux due to their actions (which I took as a personal insult) regarding the release of Linux version.

Not and RPG player, so I don't know what went on with that but sounds like you're doing the right thing.

P.P.S. GOG… Armello… Does it sound any bells??? Like, this story? Yet, despite all of this GOG is totally OK to get DRM-FREE games, unlike despicable "Humble IGN"…

I just read that, they gave people their money back...What's the issue? I would agree if they had F'ed the community and kept the cash but they did not.

Lots of their games do not have the current version. 'Nuclear Throne' is one of them. It's an older version missing all of the updates STEAM has. The IndieBox and Itch.io version is also the same old version from the DRM-FREE release. How much of that is on the dev or platform depends on how transparent their dealings are to us the consumer. My game taste keep in the local MP and SP arena so I have no idea what online gamers are dealing with til I read it here or on places that I visit.


Last edited by Mezron on 18 Oct 2017 at 5:24 pm UTC

Simply put they lie to the video gaming community for their personal gain.

Not in this particular deal. And law has it, one can not be punished (or judged) twice for the same crime.

I just read that, they gave people their money back...What's the issue?

Same old story. If you excuse me, simply put they lie to the video gaming community for their personal gain by "calling night a day" and masking reduced (due to developer's insistence on DRM) half-functional version without support as "DRM Free Edition", thus covering filthy developer and not voiding it's contract (and at the same time claming DRM-free adherence) because money is money (for them). Sure, they went back on this and under the pressure from customers removed this scam from the store, but the damage had been done.

Humblebundle is my favourite store for games on linux offering DRM-free builds on lots of games, and steam keys as well. That is the best of both worlds. On the other hand GOG has disappointed me a lot by not offering linux versions of games that are available on steam (although humble does not seem to offer drm-free build either), and using too long to approve updates from the developers. I don't buy any linux game on gog any more, only old games. I like the idea behind itch.io so I might start using that more though.

I can see having a principled stance about IGN, although these sorts of deals don't tend to take effect instantly so I doubt we'll see any changes (if any) to Humble for a while. Depends on how arms-length the network wants to run their new aquisition.

But in the alternative, given things like the lack of a Linux client, lack of Linux versions of a lot of games that have them elsewhere, and GoG's generally lukewarm attitude toward Linux in general, I don't think I'd be looking in their direction first. Personally I'll stick with Steam, for all their warts, and be looking at Itch.io more since they both at least seem to have some level of commitment, and continuing to go to Humble when it's convenient. If Humble does end up making big changes, it won't hurt too much to dump them at that point.

I do think that GoL, as a website, should continue to report on Linus-related bundles and sales on Humble just as they have been. Unless there's some big change in that regard I don't think it's really the site's place to take a stand regarding the purchase. There's still a lot of good Linux content on there, including the latest bundle, and a lot of people are interested in that.

The IGN take-over hasn't affected my Humble purchasing. I picked up the BTA of this new Down Under Bundle. In fact I was very happy to see how many games were for Linux ("ALL" the games, although Hurtworld isn't advertised as supporting Linux) and also very pleased with the number of DRM Free Downloads in the bundle too. Had I been really keen on Armello, I might have got the full Bundle, but I wasn't that bothered about it and the Lowest tier + BTA tier is fantastic.

I haven't changed the default sliders in my purchase either. I guess my primary concern with IGN is whether the Linux titles in future bundles or store sales will suffer. As long as Humble continues to operate similar to how it does now, I'll be happy to keep on purchasing, same as I've been doing the last few years.

My memory isn't what it used to be, what exactly did IGN do to upset so many people? oh & a Google search brings up nothing.


Last edited by lucifertdark on 19 Oct 2017 at 6:42 am UTC

Humblebundle is my favourite store for games on linux offering DRM-free builds on lots of games, and steam keys as well. That is the best of both worlds. On the other hand GOG has disappointed me a lot by not offering linux versions of games that are available on steam (although humble does not seem to offer drm-free build either), and using too long to approve updates from the developers. I don't buy any linux game on gog any more, only old games. I like the idea behind itch.io so I might start using that more though.

Sorry, but what nonsense is that? Those games quite obviously do not have any DRM-free version, but are steam-only. GOG is a DRM-free shop. There is no way those games would ever show up on GOG, and that is not GOGs fault, but the one of the developers. Do you expect a vegetarian shop to sell pork sausages?

Humble used to be my main source of games as I only buy DRM-free. Such offers got less and less, so I switched to GOG as primary source. I'll keep my account, and will continue buying at Humble if they deliver what I want. So for sure I'll get this bundle! (Only for 11.99 though, the steam-only $12-tier is useless for me....).

It is not obvious that they don't have any DRM-free version. I checked my humble library and I found multiple games that have drm-free copy on humble, but not on gog. This include "and yet it moves" and farsky. I also have copy of goat simulator: goaty on humble, but I cannot see if that is drm-free downloadable copy or a non-steam copy with drm.

Those games quite obviously do not have any DRM-free version, but are steam-only. GOG is a DRM-free shop.

Something doesn't add up. "Those games" have "DRM-free" versions for Windows™ (on GOG), yet no DRM-free (or… any, actually) version for Linux. How so?
Let's stop beating around the bush here. "Those games" require DRM for on-line mode. They rely on Steamworks™ on Steam™ and GOG was happy to oblige by providing Galaxy™ DRM for Windows™ and "Mac OS X". But not for Linux, and that's why "those games" are not on GOG for Linux.

In other words, GOG allowed DRMed games on its store. "Armello DRM-Free Edition" fiasco was a lesson for them: you either provide DRM to satisfy developers or don't accept a game at all; no compromises here. And GOG desperately wants more developers so it agreed to add DRM mechanism to the store.

Now, let's stop spreading this "GOG is the prophet of DRM-FREEDOM" BS.

Something doesn't add up. "Those games" have "DRM-free" versions for Windows™ (on GOG), yet no DRM-free (or… any, actually) version for Linux. How so?

Easy. There is freaking lot of games on GOG which have linux version on Steam but not on GOG. Some is due developer laziness (its takes some effort to get ports of games released prior of Linux adoption on GOG) - this games slowly but steadily gets corresponding ports. For example recently Dust finally got Linux support. Vary late, but...sometimes you have to send bunch of mails to developer (if its indie) - its sometimes help.
Some is legal reasons - for example Torchlight for a long time was DRM-free on Humble, not on GOG because of certain rights.

And...ugh, there is group of games which ports is absent for "no visible" reason. Tropico foe example and many other Kalypso media games.

There is good lists for that - https://www.gog.com/mix/games_that_have_native_linux_portselsewhere and https://www.gog.com/mix/games_supporting_linux_on_steam_not_on_gog

Very newest group is games absent "due lack of Galaxy for Linux".

Again, i specially want to point out that not all ports is absent for possible DRM reasons.