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mrdeathjr Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: Leopard
Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Because it works most of the time and performs better than AMD.

Without forget freezing in certain apps

^_^
Linas Dec 26, 2017
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Quoting: ShmerlVega refresh should come out in the first half of 2018, so it's not a very long wait. It should decrease TDP significantly from what I've heard, and pricing should also improve. So I'll just wait until then.

I hear you. But it really doesn't matter. We don't need a slightly improved card that nobody can buy. We need the existing card to actually be in stock.
Shmerl Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: LinasWe don't need a slightly improved card that nobody can buy. We need the existing card to actually be in stock.

I suppose availability should improve once they'll refine their production. It's the first time they used new memory type.
Leopard Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: mrdeathjr
Quoting: Leopard
Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Because it works most of the time and performs better than AMD.

Without forget freezing in certain apps

^_^

Yep , i'm experiencing this on Cs Go and Talos Principle.

I filled bug report to Nvidia but they didn't care , that's what i like on open source AMD drivers. You will file the bug report and there was an interest to it at least.
GustyGhost Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

For some people it is games > freedom. Of course, on the AMD side of the coin, AMD forces their victims customers to install proprietary firmware-amd-graphics to be able to fully run their GPUs.
Linas Dec 26, 2017
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Quoting: Shmerl
Quoting: LinasWe don't need a slightly improved card that nobody can buy. We need the existing card to actually be in stock.

I suppose availability should improve once they'll refine their production. It's the first time they used new memory type.

I'd like to believe that, but I don't see how? Unless they switch to a more common type of memory.
Shmerl Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: LinasI'd like to believe that, but I don't see how? Unless they switch to a more common type of memory.

No need to. HBM memory usage will naturally grow, so it will be less of a problem in the future.
dvd Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: Leopard
Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Because it works most of the time and performs better than AMD.

Weird. It's exactly the same reason i made the switch to "team red" a good 5-6 years ago. It just worked. (and was cheaper even back then)
Shmerl Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: dvdWeird. It's exactly the same reason i made the switch to "team red" a good 5-6 years ago. It just worked. (and was cheaper even back then)

Mesa caught up to performance and features support in the modern OpenGL only in the last year or so. Before that, using AMD had quite a lot of downsides.


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Leopard Dec 26, 2017
Quoting: dvd
Quoting: Leopard
Quoting: tmtvlUgh, still so many people using the crappy NVidia garbage. I suppose that'll change as Wayland becomes more prominent.

Wonder how many people are gonna switch from Intel to AMD after the IME stuff...

Because it works most of the time and performs better than AMD.

Weird. It's exactly the same reason i made the switch to "team red" a good 5-6 years ago. It just worked. (and was cheaper even back then)

Nope.

First of all , AMD driver space is so fragmented.

OpenGL side ; you will get better performance from open source drivers.

Vulkan ; mixed results. Sometimes Radv sometimes closed source driver wins. I hope AMDVLK can improve RADV.

So as a gamer ; we want performance right? Yeah , then we should use open source drivers.

But on Mesa you can't play some games without doing workarounds. For example; Divinity , Dying Light , X11 etc.

With Amdgpu Pro ; you don't need to hassle like that but it will cost you performance wise. Also note that Hdmi audio , Freesync etc are not available with Mesa.

So ; AMD is not "just" works.
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