DXVK, a Vulkan-based compatibility layer for Direct3D 11 for use with Wine

Quoting: Xpanderi think wine also helps with growing linux market share. I mean how many people ask for "I want to switch to linux, but i play this or that game, will it work on linux?" if those said games work good enough a person can try out Linux and probably will buy some native games as well, while growing the Linux market.

Its the chicken-egg problem anyway, we need more users to get somewhere and wine can help with that.


edit: one good example is most of the blizzard games. Thousands of Linux users play them with the help of wine, they can just use it and play their favorite WoW, Diablo or Heartstone while still being on Linux and buying some native linux games, otherwise they would be forced to use Windows.

Yes, sure, these are valid arguments. Don't get me wrong, wine, dxvk etc. are cool projects and should continue to prosper to attract more people to get their loved games over to Linux land. People should just keep in mind that a game bought specifically for wine is a windows sell and won't help to increase Linux sells. Stated differently, (potential) native versions or ports should be strongly preferred, even when released much much later.


Last edited by jens on 26 March 2018 at 9:51 pm UTC

Quoting: LeopardIs PUBG runs with it? No

Is Fortnite runs with it? No

Is League of Legends runs without crashing? Maybe today , unsure for tomorrow

DRM tends not to work in Wine, but what effect does it have on anything? Developers of said games don't have interest in Linux, and if Wine doesn't support them, it means such cases are irrelevant to the idea, that Wine somehow hurts native Linux releases. So your example only disproves such claims.

Wine does support many games in practice, so what Xpander said is correct, that Wine helps people switch to Linux and ditch Windows, thus weakening the catch 22.

And also, let's ask critics or Wine, are they dual booting or not? If they do, they should consider using Wine instead.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 March 2018 at 9:28 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardIs PUBG runs with it? No

Is Fortnite runs with it? No

Is League of Legends runs without crashing? Maybe today , unsure for tomorrow

DRM tends not to work in Wine, but what effect does it have on anything? Developers of said games don't have interest in Linux, and if Wine doesn't support them, it means such cases are irrelevant to the idea, that Wine somehow hurts native Linux releases. So your example only disproves such claims.

Wine does support many games in practice, so what Xpander said is correct, that Wine helps people switch to Linux and ditch Windows, thus weakening the catch 22.

And also, let's ask critics or Wine, are they dual booting or not? If they do, they should consider using Wine instead.

You're either really really dumb ( which you're not ) or pretending to be a one for making excuses for Wine.

Problem is not the dual booting , problem is feeding Windows market.

You're giving money for an unsupported product, on an unsupported OS in order to run it via an unsupported tool.

That is a big middle finger to devs who put effort into Linux versions for their games. Why they did it , you would buy it anyway for Wine.

If you don't get it , i can try to explain much more simply.


Last edited by Leopard on 26 March 2018 at 9:42 pm UTC

Quoting: LeopardProblem is not the dual booting , problem is feeding Windows market.

The major step there is to stop using Windows for good. That automatically reduces Windows market. So dualbooting is way bigger issue if you are concerned about reducing Windows market. By using Windows you are paying money directly to MS.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 March 2018 at 9:46 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardProblem is not the dual booting , problem is feeding Windows market.

The major step there is to stop using Windows for good. That automatically reduces Windows market. So dualbooting is way bigger issue if you are concerned about reducing Windows market.

No , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardIs PUBG runs with it? No

Is Fortnite runs with it? No

Is League of Legends runs without crashing? Maybe today , unsure for tomorrow

DRM tends not to work in Wine, but what effect does it have on anything? Developers of said games don't have interest in Linux, and if Wine doesn't support them, it means such cases are irrelevant to the idea, that Wine somehow hurts native Linux releases. So your example only disproves such claims.

Wine does support many games in practice, so what Xpander said is correct, that Wine helps people switch to Linux and ditch Windows, thus weakening the catch 22.

And also, let's ask critics or Wine, are they dual booting or not? If they do, they should consider using Wine instead.

If only Steam counted Wine users as Linux users..

I guess we have to find a strategy for that. My suggestions:

1. Use Wine only for games that have no chance for a native Linux version.
2. Tell developers you purchased their games to use them with Wine on Linux, at your expences and risk, because you know there can be no support (as in customer service) for your platform.


Last edited by Nevertheless on 26 March 2018 at 9:54 pm UTC

Quoting: LeopardNo , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

So, we'll disagree. As long as you dualboot, I also don't see your criticism of Wine as valid even according to your approach. Start with replacing dualbooting with Wine for everything that you have exclusively on Windows, and ditching everything that doesn't work otherwise. Then you can start criticizing Wine as something worse than native approach. Otherwise you are losing forest behind the trees.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 March 2018 at 9:57 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNo , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

So, we'll disagree. As long as you dualboot, I also don't see your criticism of Wine as valid even according to your approach. Start with replacing dualbooting with Wine for everything that you have exclusively on Windows, and ditching everything that doesn't work otherwise. Then you can start criticizing Wine as something worse than native approach.

I'm not a dual booter?

Quoting: LeopardI'm not a dual booter?

That doesn't need to apply specifically to you, but to anyone who doalboots. They have several options. Either find replacement for what they use on Windows natively, or if they can't, run it in Wine. The worse one is to continue dual booting. Ditching what they use there is another option, but not always practical.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 March 2018 at 10:02 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: LeopardNo , it is not. There are many people out who use Windows partition for only Photoshop like programs and gaming on Linux partition and buying Linux only games.

So ; Wine users are mostly much more worse than dual booters.

So, we'll disagree. As long as you dualboot, I also don't see your criticism of Wine as valid even according to your approach. Start with replacing dualbooting with Wine for everything that you have exclusively on Windows, and ditching everything that doesn't work otherwise. Then you can start criticizing Wine as something worse than native approach. Otherwise you are losing forest behind the trees.

Sorry, your discussed quite well till now, but this is just nonsense ;). There are valid reason for dual booting and valid reasons for wine. Both usages should be debatable without excluding opinions due to usage of one or the other.

PS: According to his profile @Leopard does not dual boot ;)
PPS: Just to be sure, me neither :)


Last edited by jens on 26 March 2018 at 10:06 pm UTC