It seems Valve are quite serious about getting back into making games, as Campo Santo the developer of Firewatch has joined them.
Writing on their official website in a post, the team from Campo Santo confirmed that the news is true. They said they found that people at Valve share the same values that they do, so it became an "obvious match". Expanding on that, they said this:
We had a series of long conversations with the people at Valve and everyone shared the satisfaction we take in working with people whose talents dwarf our own to make things we never thought possible. Both sides spoke about our values and how, when you get right down to it, we, as human beings, are hard-limited by the time we have left when it comes to making the things we care about and believe in. They asked us if we’d all be interested in coming up to Bellevue and doing that there and we said yes.
They confirmed that their next game, In the Valley of Gods, is still being made and so it's now a Valve game.
Personally, I think it's great that Valve are bringing in some obviously talented folk to make games. Valve have a lot of resources and contacts that can help for sure. It should also mean they have good Linux support, since Valve are still committed to Linux gaming.
Since it will now be a Valve game, it will be interesting to see if In the Valley of Gods will make it to GOG. I wouldn't expect it to now, but maybe Valve will surprise us there.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Lock-in is surely a problem, and Steam has it too. But DRM and lock-in aren't the same thing. Though they can be related in practice (such as DRM causing lock-in).
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Cyba.Cowboy Apr 23, 2018
Quoting: ShmerlBut DRM and lock-in aren't the same thing. Though they can be related in practice (such as DRM causing lock-in).
That's what I just said, except in much more detail...
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I liked the part where you guys talked about Steam/GOG/DRM for the billionth time.
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Quoting: bingusI liked the part where you guys talked about Steam/GOG/DRM for the billionth time.
Indeed... the interesting information is that Henry was formally known as Gordon who was tired of fighting aliens invasion and decided to retired himself in a watchtower in Wyoming! ^_^
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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoIt is impossible to do the same with Steam games..One word: YES.
Can you move these games to another of your machines using an external HDD?
But I don't know why go GOG vs. Steam war when this thread ain't about that at all. Go fancy your preffered game saler in one of the threads about that.
For the actual news, I hope this new game is better than the first one.
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Other people are discussion HL3 when getting this news, we're talking about DRM... :-/
I like it Valve's getting into making games again. I don't expect HL3 to be ever made. It couldn't ever live up to the expectations. Portal 3 would be nice, although Portal Stories: Mel was, difficulty-wise, better than I would ever expect of a Valve Portal. Let's see what they're coming up with. Something like Firewatch would make me happy as well.
I like it Valve's getting into making games again. I don't expect HL3 to be ever made. It couldn't ever live up to the expectations. Portal 3 would be nice, although Portal Stories: Mel was, difficulty-wise, better than I would ever expect of a Valve Portal. Let's see what they're coming up with. Something like Firewatch would make me happy as well.
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Mblackwell Apr 23, 2018
Quote2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'licence') to use GOG services and to download and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This licence is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this licence in some situations, which are explained later on.
Quote3.1 To buy GOG content from GOG services, and in some cases to play/use GOG content where our partners require use of a GOG account, you will need to set up a GOG account. This will involve creating a password (which is encrypted so we can’t access it) and a username, plus giving us (for identification purposes) your email address. Please make sure your login credentials are kept secure and your account is used properly. In your GOG Account settings you can also optionally set your country of residence, birthday and avatar. Our Privacy Policy gives more detail about the information we collect from you and how we use it and protect it. It's at Privacy Policy.
Quote3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else. Your access to and use of them is subject to GOG’s rules which are set out here, as updated or amended when necessary.
Quote11. RULES FOR USING GOG SERVICES
11.1 Please follow these rules regarding the GOG services and GOG content. Please read these rules carefully since failure to follow them (particularly those in relation to cheating) will be considered a material breach of this Agreement, which could lead to suspension or cancellation of your access to GOG Services. Here are the rules:
Quote17.2. Our right to terminate the Agreement. If you materially breach this Agreement, we reserve the right to suspend or cancel your access to GOG services and GOG content. By material breach of the Agreement we mean a serious breach which could cause significant harm to GOG, GOG users, as well as, in particular breach of the provisions of section 11 above. If we suspend or cancel your access to GOG services or GOG conent we'll take reasonable steps to contact you to explain why we've done this and what (if anything) you can do as a result.
Quote22.1 We may change this Agreement if it's necessary e.g. for legal reasons or to reflect changes in GOG services or GOG content. If so, we will make the changed Agreement available online at here and (if you have a GOG account) email you to let you know about the changes
Quote22.3 If you don't agree to those changes (regardless of whether you email us), then unfortunately we must ask you to cease using GOG services and GOG content. We're sorry we have to say that, but we hope you'll appreciate that for GOG.com to work properly we need to have everyone using it under the same rules instead of different people having different rules. That's why we encourage you to get in contact if you have queries or concerns.
GOG tries to hide it with casual language, but by this very strict definition of DRM you have invented the website and service itself are also DRM.
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Quoting: ShmerlQuoting: tuubiI think the term DRM generally only applies to technical measures that restrict the use of a product. Licenses and legal restrictions are a related but separate subject.
If TOS requires you to use Steam to install the game, and then you go ahead and install it without it, DMCA-1201 and similar anti-circumvention garbage would treat it as a violation, which indirectly indicates that something like Steam is DRM because of that TOS. DRM was always about a combination of "measures" with legal garbage attached to them.
Let me get this straight, you are saying that you can buy a game on GOG and then go to piratebay and download it from there, and the GOG TOS allows that? I thought that you still need to download it from gog.com ....
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Guys this topic leads nowhere... :(
Like jens said:
Like jens said:
Quoteit is either 100% one side or 100% the other, nearly no in-between, at least not outspoken
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Quoting: ShmerlOkay, but as others have pointed out above, all vendors have Terms of Service. The point at issue here is whether the Steam client, per se, is DRM; whether it's used to manage those Terms. It isn't. You're moving the goalposts.Quoting: DuncWell, it isn't. It's required for initial download, not reinstallation. End of discussion.
I trust their TOS more than your assumptions. So the discussion ends pretty much when you try to say it's OK to violate their TOS when using their games.
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