Harebrained Schemes confirm again Linux support for BATTLETECH is a high priority

Quoting: gabber

Quoting: DisharmonicThe Anti-SJW crowd is as tiresome as the SJW crowd. Can we just get back to playing games

That's like saying chemotherapy is as tiresome as cancer.

Right.

Quoting: gabberYou're right, we should just be getting back to playing games and ignoring the identity politics. But some developers are not, they're caving in and trying to make their games more 'inclusive'.

Good games are a kind of art. You're surprised artists are expressing themselves? Really?

Quoting: gabber- You need more pronouns
- You need more skincolor options
- You have too many black and not enough native people (Far Cry 5..)
- You can't show a sexy ass, that's objectifying ..

As long as there are SJWs pushing their joy-killing agenda I'm afraid we need the Anti-SJWs.
Thanks for the heads up on the issue, not buying infected products.

As long as there are people afraid of pronouns and colors...

Well, I'll buy your copy, gabber. Full price.
I've just put in on my wish list so I won't forget on Linux release.
You're welcome.


Last edited by Eike on 5 May 2018 at 12:20 pm UTC

It's a fun game, you can blow stuff up.
Glad it's getting a port at all.
Shame there are so many sour people around.

Quoting: mortigarIt's a fun game, you can blow stuff up.
Glad it's getting a port at all.
Shame there are so many sour people around.

Basically my thoughts.

I rarely get into these discussions, as they always turn sour very quickly. The way I see it though: Does an option like this stop other people playing it how they want to? That's the question that should matter, from what I've read and seen, it doesn't affect the gameplay in any way, so I just don't get why it's an issue for some.

Obviously all opinions welcome here, this is my own personal opinion, just keep it as respectful as you all can.

Edit: Spelling error.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 8 May 2018 at 7:36 pm UTC

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: mortigarIt's a fun game, you can blow stuff up.
Glad it's getting a port at all.
Shame there are so many sour people around.

Basically my thoughts.

I rarely get into these discussions, as they always turn sour very quickly. The way I see it though: Does an option like this stop other people paying it how they want to? That's the question that should matter, from what I've read and seen, it doesn't affect the gameplay in any way, so I just don't get why it's an issue for some.

Obviously all opinions welcome here, this is my own personal opinion, just keep it as respectful as you all can.

Earlier today I was reading some article about how Vulcans are racist, sexist and homophobic... Not even sure why I was reading it, but I learned a new word. Heteronormative... wtf? Uhm, sorry how is that even a word? The normal state of being for any creature, animal, etc is heterosexual. It's part of evolution, a species wouldn't have lasted this long if it weren't.

Also it tried to say that just because Spock was more comfortable hanging out with dudes, that means he must be gay. It was pretty ridiculous. This was after arguing that he saw all women as illogical emotional messes because he grew up with his human mother. If you were a Vulcan in his situation, you'd probably rather hang with your buds as well.

This stamping onto Sci-Fi settings of current political or social climate is what's bothering me. Like the whole thing with them showing that Sulu has always been gay in the new Star Trek movies, just because the actor who played him originally was. Even George Takei was not thrilled about them doing that.

This is Battletech, which while not as well known as something like Star Trek, has a full history and timeline, and am pretty sure none of it is filled with pronouns.

The silly thing is, if 'they' would stop throwing it in everyone's faces, we'd ignore them like we ignore each other. The attention grab is what keeps them going. I watched some video a while back where someone was trying to argue that there were more than two genders, and they said that if someone didn't address them by their chosen pronoun (which the person never did) then it's an 'assault'. It was pretty ridiculous.

Anyhow, I'll still buy the game, I'll just ignore and/or find a mod for proper pronouns :P

Quoting: slaapliedjeThe normal state of being for any creature, animal, etc is heterosexual. It's part of evolution, a species wouldn't have lasted this long if it weren't.

Bonobos seem to be actively bisexual normally, and lasted some million years.
Clownfish are transsexual.
Salmons are hermaphrodites.
Brine shrimp are doing self-fertilization.
And there's many more examples.
Evolution has brought up many more ideas than heterosexuality.

Quoting: slaapliedjeThe silly thing is, if 'they' would stop throwing it in everyone's faces, we'd ignore them like we ignore each other. The attention grab is what keeps them going.

I experienced the opposite here. If no-one would have brought it up here to complain about it, I still wouldn't have heard about it. The only things I had heard about the game is that it seems to be a good one.


Last edited by Eike on 6 May 2018 at 10:08 am UTC

Quoting: PatolaHowever, I am even much more concerned with the political and cultural environment that this pronoun "revolution" represents, with university professors being jailed for using the 'wrong' pronoun. Ask Jordan B. Peterson. This is disheartening. This is real tyrannical oppression.

I read a bit about this person, but didn't find she was in jail and not even in court for anything she has done.

(I never heart about the law he's fighting. While of course, transgender people shouldn't be discriminated against, I'm not convinced using the right pronouns should be part of the law. (On the other hand, if we could imprison people abusing their language... ;) ))


Last edited by Eike on 6 May 2018 at 8:39 am UTC

Quoting: Patola

Quoting: slaapliedjeEarlier today I was reading some article about how Vulcans are racist, sexist and homophobic... Not even sure why I was reading it, but I learned a new word. Heteronormative... wtf? Uhm, sorry how is that even a word? The normal state of being for any creature, animal, etc is heterosexual. It's part of evolution, a species wouldn't have lasted this long if it weren't.

Sorry, I am not with the SJW crowd, but what you've said is just plainly wrong, biologically and scientifically.There are now about more than three decades of solid research (thousands, if not tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers) showing variations in expressions of sexuality in virtually every animal species, and I am not talking about hermaphroditism in fishes or the weird sex changes of reptiles, but of mammalians and birds. Sexual strategies varies a lot amongst species, and in most species there are almost always cases for which not being strictly heterosexual and "cis" (sorry, I don't like this word but there is transexuality involved too) pays off, in some of them it pays even for the majority of the population, and in some cases even exclusive homosexuality with no offspring can pay off because you might help other copies of your genes succeed. There is one thing in Evolution called Evolutionary Stable Strategy which helps a single species develop varied ways of living and reproducing, and that includes variations in sexual orientation and mating tactics.

I can cite lots of references that to you (I have a masters degree in biology), but I think the easiest would be the 1998's book Biological Exuberance by Bruce Bagemihl (which although rich in pictures and examples lacks in evolutionary explanations), and the deep book Animal Homosexuality: A Biosocial Perspective from Aldo Poiani.

Here's the thing about all of those species, it's population control for them to evolve with any homosexual tendencies. If heterosexual mating is required to reproduce, then by the natures of law it is required that the species be hetero/bisexual at the very least, correct? Just because a few of them or even large quantities are being homosexual, doesn't necessitate that the species still has to have some heterosexual activity to propagate the species. And yes, there are species that just change genders on the fly due to the needs of the gene pool.

Is that same thing happening to mankind? Maybe. We have weird social rules, unlike the Bonobo who just go off with whomever they like! Either way, a species needs to be able to procreate to survive.

Our species is clearly evolving due to longer lifespans, successful birth rate is higher, etc. We used to have the occasional plague happen to thin the numbers, but that hasn't happened for a long time.

I have nothing against gay people, I have nothing against anyone being whatever the hell they want to be. I just don't like it being constantly shoved in my face.

By the way, I'm fairly certain the main reason homosexuality was deemed so evil for so long is due to the latter days of the Roman empire. Earlier ones certainly embraced it, but with Christianity becoming the the main religion ~300AD, when they formulated the 'official' bible, I'm sure is when most of it was set in stone. Both Greek and Roman culture was fine with it before. Oddly that's also around the time the Dark Ages started, to be fair.

Quoting: PatolaSorry but you need a better understanding of Evolution. I urge you to read books like the Selfish Gene by Professor Dawkins for a good introduction to the subject.

I suggest The Science of Discworld III: Darwin's Watch by Terry Pratchett and professors Jack Cohen and Ian Stewart instead for a slightly less academic but a more entertaining read. :P

Hey, don't judge me. These books are actually not bad as far as popular science goes.

Quoting: PatolaI will look forward to reading this book, but on this very same subject I've also got a hilarious book to recommend: Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation. It is not exclusively about homo/bi/transsexuality, but it is so funny (without oversimplifying anything, and always maintaining scientific accuracy) that it spawned a TV series.

Man, this sounds great for learning something without making it too hard. I'm surprised it hasn't been translated to German...

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: PatolaI will look forward to reading this book, but on this very same subject I've also got a hilarious book to recommend: Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation. It is not exclusively about homo/bi/transsexuality, but it is so funny (without oversimplifying anything, and always maintaining scientific accuracy) that it spawned a TV series.

Man, this sounds great for learning something without making it too hard. I'm surprised it hasn't been translated to German...

A book about sex... that doesn't make it too hard...

I absolutely did not giggle.