DXVK for Direct3D 11 over Vulkan in Wine has a new 0.60 release

Quoting: Whitewolfe80also a little worrying that devs are seeing this progress and just saying yup we dont even need to port it we can release a wine wrapper

Let them do it, it's better than ignoring Linux for them.

Quoting: YoRHa-2B@Arehandoro it (sort of) is if you're either on Windows or using the dev build that Square themselves leaked some time ago, but the Steam version doesn't run on wine due to DRM issues. Screenshot

Brilliant! Probably I won't bother with the hassle of a leaked version but good to know it could be done :)

Quoting: MohandevirAs long as there is an entity in charge of maintaining the build, just like Feral does, personnally, I'm fine with that.

Why do you need some entity to tell you "it's playable" if it's already playable without any entity?-) But in essence what's good is attention of developers to Linux market in general, that's about it. Other than that, you don't need any entities like Feral if you already can play the game. Especially if they would limit you in some way.


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Quoting: MohandevirAs long as there is an entity in charge of maintaining the build, just like Feral does, personnally, I'm fine with that.

Why do you need some entity to tell you "it's playable" if it's already playable without any entity?-) But in essence what's good is attention of developers to Linux market in general, that's about it. Other than that, you don't need any entities like Feral if you already can play the game. Especially if they would limit you in some way.

Because this is your personnal situation that is absolutely not viable for the mass market. Without official support, Linux gaming will stay a sub 1% marketshare platform and this is what we have to get out of.

Quoting: MohandevirBecause this is your personnal situation that is absolutely not viable for the mass market. Without official support, Linux gaming will stay a sub 1% marketshare platform and this is what we have to get out of.

Let's say you can play some game without any extra middleman or entity involved, how is that not viable for you as a Linux gamer?


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More than that, an update on an unsuported game may totally break wine support at any moment. Want non-techy users to deal with that?


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Quoting: MohandevirMore than that, an update on an unsuported game may totally break wine support at any moment. Want non-techy users to deal with that?

Sure, but so can the game break, after porters aren't supporting it anymore. So what has higher chances to last longer? I'd bet on the FOSS option in such case. It doens't mean I propose to always use Wine instead of native rewrites, but simply point out that Wine makes it very viable without porters involved already.


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Quoting: MohandevirMore than that, an update on an unsuported game may totally break wine support at any moment. Want non-techy users to deal with that?

Sure, but so can the game break, after porters aren't supporting it anymore. So what has higher chances to last longer? I'd bet on the FOSS option in such case. It doens't mean I propose to always use Wine instead of native rewrites, but simply point out that Wine makes it very viable without porters involved already.

You are right. Wine makes it viable. This is where it ends. It will never show up on GoG store, Steam and the likes, in this state. Like it or not, in 2018, this is the name of the game, unless your goal is to keep Linux an elitists platform that only tech-savy people use. If that is your point of view, fine, but this discussion is pointless; we have diverging goals, from the start.


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Quoting: MohandevirYou are right. Wine makes it viable. This is where it ends. It will never show up on GoG store, Steam and the likes, in this state.

Sure, but that goes back to my previous point - you don't need extra middlemen, if you already can play it. Some like this formal "it's supported" idea, and sure, it's good. But not necessary often :) Linux was always about doing something without gatekeepers telling you how to, so this fits the idea well.


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Quoting: MohandevirYou are right. Wine makes it viable. This is where it ends. It will never show up on GoG store, Steam and the likes, in this state.

Sure, but that goes back to my previous point - you don't need extra middlemen, if you already can play it. Some like this formal "it's supported" idea, and sure, it's good. But not necessary often :) Linux was always about doing something without gatekeepers telling you how to, so this fits the idea well.

Thinking about my 10 years old son setting up DXVK and wine to play a game... Not. He's going to switch back to the PS4 in 2 seconds.

This said, I totally understand your point of view but it's only acceptable for the 0.5% of gamers that likes to hack the system. The true gamers, that will make Linux a viable gaming platform, just wants to "plug & play". Without a middleman to officially support the game, it's dead in the water.

Edit: Thinking about it, even if there is a middleman to support the game, for those that wants it, nothing prevents you from downloading the Windows version and hack DXVK + Wine to your need. One doesn't forbide the other. Linux as always been about choices. :)


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