Feral Interactive have no plans to put their Linux ports on GOG

Quoting: GuestYou are drawing conclusions from lack of information

We have enough information. Feral make decisions where to release the game. It's not available DRM-free now and Feral don't want to change that. I think it's more than enough for DRM-free users to evaluate their attitude. You can argue about their motives which can be many, but as I said, the result matters in the end.

You can use the search function on the GOG forum using different keywords. Here is an example: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_xcom_enemy_unknown_complete_pack_93823?search=tremere110


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 12:46 pm UTC

I see absolutely nothing to say Feral is "pro-DRM". I agree with what mirv is saying. Feral have never even hinted at liking DRM and I think saying otherwise is pretty dubious.

There's likely a number of reasons why including what's already been said.

Quoting: liamdaweFeral have never even hinted at liking DRM

Several people said they did, but privately. Few companies publicly speak about it, since the topic is toxic and PR departments fear it. So far I see no indication that Feral are not pro-DRM, everything indicates the opposite.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 12:50 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: liamdaweFeral have never even hinted at liking DRM

Several people said they did, but privately. Few companies publicly speak about it, since the topic is toxic and PR departments fear it. So far I see no indication that Feral are not pro-DRM, everything indicates the opposite.

Unless you can back that up, you're just spreading FUD about one of the biggest pushers of popular Linux games which isn't a good look dude.

Quoting: liamdaweUnless you can back that up, you're just spreading FUD about one of the biggest pushers of popular Linux games which isn't a good look dude.

I can't back up what others said, it's their word against anything else, but in practice it makes zero difference, you can bring many reasons but Feral don't want to release DRM-free in any fashion, not just on GOG. So it makes them pro-DRM, if not ideologically, then practically.

Being a pusher of Linux releases is not an excuse for being pro-DRM.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 12:52 pm UTC

Because of this feral/drm topic, is there ppl who has F1 2017 and/or Rise of the Tomb Raider bought+installed on steam and willing to help littlebit?
I would appreciate if someone could run binwalk on one or both mentioned titles binary and paste output to pastebin.


Last edited by Jarno on 18 June 2018 at 12:54 pm UTC

Regarding people's private sources, I so far saw these:

* https://www.gamingonlinux.com/forum/topic/3262/post_id=15363
* https://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_xcom_enemy_unknown_complete_pack_93823/post74

And again, motivation here is secondary to the actual outcome.

Why is everybody so up in arms about publishers not putting their games on GOG? Sure, DRM-free is important, but they are doing very little, if anything, to push Linux adoption. They have no Linux-compatible client (GOG Galaxy), no easy way to distribute updates, no standardized runtime, don't port their own games to Linux, nothing that would actually invite Linux users and developers.

GOG could become a great alternative to Steam if they actually cared about Linux, but until then Steam is much more Linux-friendly platform run by a much more Linux-friendly company.

Quoting: LinasWhy is everybody so up in arms about publishers not putting their games on GOG?

GOG is the biggest DRM-free store that's why it's often discussed, but I'm OK with publishers releasing it anywhere DRM-free. Do they? Some do, but many don't, like Feral themselves.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 12:59 pm UTC

GOG sucks! Still no GOG Galaxy! Many missing Linux Builds of Games on GOG! Why should I care if Feral is releasing games on a 3rd Class game store? GOG should begin with a proper Linux Support first. Till then I'm buying my stuff on Steam.

Quoting: Crazy PenguinMany missing Linux Builds of Games on GOG!

Isn't it exactly the point? Feral's build is missing in this case, because of Feral.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 1:04 pm UTC

Quoting: LinasWhy is everybody so up in arms about publishers not putting their games on GOG? Sure, DRM-free is important, but they are doing very little, if anything, to push Linux adoption. They have no Linux-compatible client (GOG Galaxy), no easy way to distribute updates, no standardized runtime, don't port their own games to Linux, nothing that would actually invite Linux users and developers.

GOG could become a great alternative to Steam if they actually cared about Linux, but until then Steam is much more Linux-friendly platform run by a much more Linux-friendly company.

AFAIK they sometimes help other developers getting their games to run on Linux so it's not like they're doing nothing for Linux.

Quoting: Adamfx990Its a shame publishers favour it despite GOG being the far-more consumer-friendly platform.

Oh well now - that totally depends on how you define "user friendly". One of my major arguments for Steam is precisely that it by far the most user friendly alternative, both in regards to the cloud storage of save-games (where that feature is utilised), the unified, cross platform chat feature with friends, and especially in regards to patching. It's all integrated in one client, one framework.

To claim this is not user-friendly is - if I am to be a bit blunt - really quite fanatic from the anti-drm camp. It is exactly what it is - very user friendly. That's the challenge GOG needs to tackle.


Last edited by Beamboom on 18 June 2018 at 1:18 pm UTC

Quoting: GuestTry as you might, there's nothing to indicate Feral's DRM stance one way or another.

If that's not clear still, I'll repeat but one last time, since I said it several times already. If Feral have an issue with GOG in particular, they can release the game through other means DRM-free, smaller companies than them do it just fine, it's not an insurmountable task. Feral aren't interested. Argue all you want, but until I'll see their games DRM-free anywhere, I'll consider them being pro-DRM.

Quoting: GuestIn fact, if Feral even talked to GOG, that indicates Feral are ok without DRM - they have to be, if they're willing to even talk to GOG.

Talks in such case are initiated by GOG, since GOG naturally don't like making crippled releases. GOG Linux team said so explicitly. But talks didn't lead anywhere as we can see.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 June 2018 at 1:20 pm UTC

If they released GOG Galaxy for Linux, then perhaps things might change a bit. We can only dream.

(conspiracy theory mode on) What if Valve gives some benefit to developers who don't put their games on GOG?

Quoting: ShmerlIf that's not clear still, I'll repeat but one last time, since I said it several times already. If Feral have an issue with GOG in particular, they can release the game through other means DRM-free...

Why do you assume that they are even allowed to release the games as DRM-free? The majority of the games they port are not even available as DRM-free on Windows. It's not like when they make a Linux version it becomes Ferals property and they can do whatever they want with the game?

We are talking about an industry that is still very much into platform-exclusive titles, locked-down consoles, Denuvo, StarForce, etc. Do you really think Feral does not have enough battles to fight?

Quoting: Shmerl...smaller companies than them do it just fine, it's not an insurmountable task. Feral aren't interested...

You are greatly underestimating the cost involved. They would have to maintain a separate build of the game that has Steam functionality stripped, different installers, and possibly different set of libraries. These games are complex, and a lot can go wrong.

Quoting: Shmerl...GOG Linux team...

A what?

Steam does not stop developers releasing products on other platforms, so the decision is up to the original developer.

I don't know why some people are so hostile towards steam when often many games have DRM integrated with them to regulate the multiplayer components.

Only thing keeping me from preferring GOG over Steam, is missing GOG Galaxy for Linux, I won't take GOG seriously until they prove to me they properly support Linux users.
(note the linux releases are done by developers and have little to do with GOG website except for the Linux/Mac filter)


Last edited by TheRiddick on 18 June 2018 at 1:51 pm UTC

Quoting: LinasA what?

There is a guy/gurl who helps with linux builds, it's not really a team, but it is something

Quoting: bgh251f2I would believe that's because there's no clear way to know if a game bought on GOG is being played on Linux, so it would be hard to make the division of profits. The fact that there's no client can't be helping either.

I'm sure they can keep track of whether the user downlaoded the Linux installer or the Windows installer. You don't need a client for that.