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PayPalIntel has now officially confirmed that they will release a discrete GPU that will be available in 2020. While we already knew they were planning it, actually giving it a date makes it that little bit more real.
Their Twitter post sent out earlier simply said this:
Intel's first discrete GPU coming in 2020: https://intel.ly/2ylFwrl
The link was to an older article (the one we covered before), but there's also this article from MarketWatch (Intel retweeted it, so it's legitimate) which confirms that Intel CEO, Brian Krzanich, also said so during an analyst event last week. From the article:
Intel did not go into detail about what performance level or target market this first discrete GPU solution might address, but Intel’s executive vice president of the data center group, Navin Shenoy, confirmed that the company’s strategy will include solutions for data center segments (think AI, machine learning) along with client (think gaming, professional development).
It's going to be a fun time for PC enthusiasts. With the only players currently being NVIDIA and AMD, this could firmly shake up the market resulting in even more competition and hopefully lower prices too.
Hopefully Intel will stick with their open source drivers for it, like they do for their integrated graphics. Would be a huge shame if they didn't.
What are your thoughts?
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I wonder if it is a result of the aggressive progress of AMD in the CPU market. Intel needs to catch up on the GPU side.
Hopefully it won't get sour; competition might be good, but sourness opens the door to underhanded tactics.
Hopefully it won't get sour; competition might be good, but sourness opens the door to underhanded tactics.
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ewertonurias Jun 12, 2018
"lower prices too"?
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
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Seems like an obvious business for Intel to get into, with both their skills and FAB resources. I think there would be a reasonable chance for a 3rd player in the top-end graphics chip market, as the current 2 horse race is historically unusual. Also as all the gaming graphics board manufacturers are able to make boards for either NVidia or AMD chips, so them also making boards for Intel chips seems logical. I guess Intel execs have said "look at all the profit NVidia has made these last few years, we can do that too". From a Linux gaming point of view, with Intel's interest in open source drivers, then I don't see any down-side.
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walther von stolzing Jun 12, 2018
I'd like to think (fantasize more like) that this is because intel's becoming aware that their CPU dominance in desktops & servers is coming to an end. (In that context, I can't wait for RISC V systems to become mainstream & affordable.)
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It also will likely erode Nvidia's lock-in (CUDA and etc.) if Intel and AMD will join forces behind open compute stack.
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"lower prices too"?I'm in the UK. Things are expensive here too, but I think you completely missed my point. Another player in the market, may force the current players (AMD, NVIDIA) to rethink their prices because of the extra competition.
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
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I wonder if it is a result of the aggressive progress of AMD in the CPU market. Intel needs to catch up on the GPU side.
Hopefully it won't get sour; competition might be good, but sourness opens the door to underhanded tactics.
Intel can't do **** in the GPU space without either Nvidia or AMD, they have all the IP needed.
And as Intel have partnered with AMD for their IGPu am guessing it's NV that will likely be more worried about this than AMD.
Pretty sure is also nothing to do with AMD's CPU gains as something like this takes years to plan/bring to market so would have been planned way before Ryzen's, erm rise ;)
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"lower prices too"?
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
I assume that Brazilian government import duties on computers and computer parts is still extremely high, as it was a few years ago when I was looking at deploying a large number of servers to Brazil (before I retired). The only way I found to reduce the cost back then was to contract with Dell computers, as they had an assembly plant in Brazil. I would not expect any of the graphics card board manufacturers to have an assembly plant in Brazil. So sorry, but I suspect that the end-user price of graphics cards in Brazil will be dominated by the government import duties.
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GustyGhost Jun 12, 2018
Great development if Intel will keep drivers open.
I've never been a fan of two horse races.
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"lower prices too"?
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
And the idiot award goes to me... I googled "amazon brazil" and guess what google provided :)
once I find the url for amazon.com brazil the price is Real $1648 ( just needed to check) and converting to pounds is £334 and amazon.co.uk as such a card at £300 -> £340 (OEM specific)
checking newegg usa ... $350 -> $360
So UK are getting stung but nowhere near Brazil level when you then compare the average wage...
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I often hear brazilians complaining about hardware prices. I'm not sure why but most probably it is because of import taxes.
The problem is that prices for hardware can't drop to match the local wages. There's not enough margin on those products. And even if they did, the manufacturers probably want to avoid an "ebay market" from low income countries to the US/EU.
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Having a third actor is never bad, but the thing is that they already are leaders in the CPU Market... They kind of stole Raja Koduri from AMD, and now they taking Jim Keller, which is the guy behind all the improvment done by Tesla, Zen architecture for AMD, and also many improvment for Apple.
So I'm pretty scare by Intel to be honest. They also bought McAfee which was a crap antivirus, and they transformed it in a spyware tool which is even worse at detective any threat... In one way it could be a good thing if they do the same with GPU, but I really don't think it will be bad.
Unfortunately for AMD or Nvidia and in the end all PC gamer. Because if everyone buy Intel GPU, which could also in the future integrate those chips inside the CPU, in this case they will end up as a total monopoly.
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So I'm pretty scare by Intel to be honest. They also bought McAfee which was a crap antivirus, and they transformed it in a spyware tool which is even worse at detective any threat... In one way it could be a good thing if they do the same with GPU, but I really don't think it will be bad.
Unfortunately for AMD or Nvidia and in the end all PC gamer. Because if everyone buy Intel GPU, which could also in the future integrate those chips inside the CPU, in this case they will end up as a total monopoly.
Last edited by Jahimself on 13 June 2018 at 1:29 pm UTC
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"lower prices too"?They are expensive everywhere.
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
Also, sorry to say this, but if what you say is true and a 1060 is 160% your salary... then no matter how many companies enter the market, it's not going to make it affordable to you. Sure the price *may* drop, but not a lot.
I often hear brazilians complaining about hardware prices. I'm not sure why but most probably it is because of import taxes. IF that's the case then it's the brazilian legislation that needs adjustments. Or maybe it's not officially sold in Brazil and thus isn't imported in mass quantities. It's also worth noting that very often, those prices for the US don't include the VAT, but prices for other countries do. This might make it look like it's much cheaper in US than another place when in fact it might not be.
Anyway, more often than not it's a combination of all those things.
Brazilian here.
Everything is so pricey here because of a combination of everything you said.
We have high import taxes, the normal is 60% and some special products get less.
Every company has high taxes too, and really complicated ones, Brazil is the country that takes more time to companys to calculate their taxes, which add to cost too.
And what ewertonurias said is true. Our minimun wage is R$980 per month and a GTX 1060 do cost R$1600, but before all the mining fever the prices were lower.
Not many people know this, but we are more closed than Cuba in a lot os aspects, only way to offer competitive prices is opening a assembly plant here and this narrow down our options of brands and products, so is hard to find a new player investing in here.
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That is the only positive result I can think of. IF it happens."lower prices too"?I'm in the UK. Things are expensive here too, but I think you completely missed my point. Another player in the market, may force the current players (AMD, NVIDIA) to rethink their prices because of the extra competition.
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
Otherwise I'm thinking right now "more driver chaos, great...".
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"lower prices too"?
Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
Converting local prices (DKK) to Reals it comes to an average of R$ 1700.
Just for fun I went at looked up what the monthly minimum wage is - for an unskilled(untrained? no sure how to translate it) worker it is DKK 18.030,25 now ofcourse we have some of the highest income taxes in the world so that turns into about ( depending on deductibles ) DKK 10.000 which is about R$ 5900.
Of course any one pulling in minimum wage would struggle to pay for such a luxury item what with needing to pay rent, food, insurance, etc..
It's worth keeping in mind that a skilled and experienced worker pulls in significantly more ( enough that I at first assumed the above to be after taxes ), I'm sure that the same is the case in Brazil so hit those books it pays off in the long run ;)
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tommystig21 Jun 13, 2018
always been an nVidia user and now an AMD and i'm gonna stick with AMD, both for gpu and cpu, i do not like what both nvidia and intel are doing.
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Omg... I'm Brazilian, our salary is R$ 1000, and a "GTX 1060 Galaxy 6GB 192Bits here costs R$ 1600.
Here practically everything is inaccessible.
Where do you live, it's also so expensive? Asking for curiosity.
I think there's quite different numbers for average wages depending on how you're calculating it, but the first I met for Germany is 1900€ (after tax). The GPU would be about 300€ at the moment. (Do consider that GPU prices have been on a rise for a long time due to crypto mining, but have been dropping lately.)
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Intel can't do **** in the GPU space without either Nvidia or AMD, they have all the IP needed.But Intel has been producing GPUs forever(just not discrete ones) and is the #1 GPU manufacturer.
Anyway, I doubt they'll come up with anything competitive by 2020.
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Intel can't do **** in the GPU space without either Nvidia or AMD, they have all the IP needed.But Intel has been producing GPUs forever(just not discrete ones) and is the #1 GPU manufacturer.
Anyway, I doubt they'll come up with anything competitive by 2020.
Ranking is debatable however, they still licensed the IP from NV/AMD over the years so the main point still stands.
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