Techland haven't decided if Dying Light 2 will be on Linux

Quoting: pete910Rise of the Tombraider, I read it as in general visuals.

Metro LL, Deus Ex too and going on that vid the original DL.

Mad Max is open world, Looks as good no foliage to compare so.

Mad Max looks good but has nothing like the density of the video we see above, it's less objects and more of nothing. The city we see above? the amount of objects and the foliage and all that...? Much more impressive.

Of the other examples I've not yet played Tomb Raider but I would expect that one to look fantastic. Metro LL was impressive too, I agree with that. But it's a very different game with small set pieces. Same with Deus Ex, generally speaking.

It's the combination of a huge map and the level of detail (details as in number of objects in the scene and their complexity) that impress me. The first Dying Light was impressive too (once they got their frame rate in order), but it looks like they've raised the bar even higher here. And I fully expect this game here to be one of the best looking games on Linux.... If we ever get it. Here's hoping!

Quoting: jensSorry, but no. There is really no reason to not pay the developers/designers etc. for their work with their conditions if you use their product in some way or the other. If the product is not as you wish or if you can't afford it, just don't buy it and move on. Simple as that and applies to everyone.

So now and in the past, you always pay for your software? Let me see if I understand your point with a simple example: When I was about 11 years old I got a pirated version of 3DsMax. Based on what you said, I should have ask my parents to pay the license? And I have many more example, but I like the idea of starting with a software that his license cost more than 1k usd...

Also, I would like to know if always pay for everything you use. For example, you never download/ed a film/series with a torrent? Or shared your music with friends? Come on guys! Why do you keep bringing everything as a white or black dilemma when it has so many branchs?

Quoting: NeverthelessI do understand that. What I meant was: We're a small community with a small platform. As was pointed out several times by other users in this forum, we have to be more positive (as in friendly, helpful, honest) than users of other platforms. That way Linux already gets more support than market logic allows.

I completely agree, playing games on Linux is not an easy task, we are in the beginnings and we make many sacrifices in order to get what we want. And that also means that if we want to get more people in our OS we need to make everything as simple as it is on Windows. In other words: the publishers and developer should give support to the software the publish in our OS, and no mather if they publish their game with a wrapper, wine, dosbox, etc. the idea is that they give the end users solutions to any linux specific bugs.

Keeping our self satisfied with the idea of "hey, at least it works on wine... for now" won't get us anywhere. What will get us is to buy the games on which the publisher gives support in our OS and address all the problems that their software have in our platform.

With all this said, still not see how buying a Windows only game will help the Linux market in any way. If the publisher doesn't work in order to publish the game in our platform it just means that they don't expect any earning from our side. So, going back to the "It's moral to not to buy the software you use?" dilemma, it's just a problem of each user and restricted on their own problems. But again, unless we're talking about of products with Linux support, I don't see how it'll impact our market.

Quoting: GuestBecause why would anyone consider porting to a platform where people pirate games anyway?

That's how it impacts the GNU/Linux gaming market.

Yeah, that's probably why publihser will stop release their games with Windows support. You know, lots of people using pirated software in that OS (even on a pirated OS!), who would want to keep publishing there?

If the idea here is to make think the publishers that we're all saints... I don't know guys, this is just stupid.

Quoting: GuestBecause why would anyone consider porting to a platform where people pirate games anyway?

That's how it impacts the GNU/Linux gaming market.

Lol , Windows guys are pirating much more than us. There is why Denuvo like things exist

And also , you're just keep saying like " You are pirating every piece of software"

If you want i can just put screenshot of my Steam payments. Pure Linux compatible games and i'm spending much more than my Windows days to games.

We are not pirating Linux games or games has a possibility for Linux ports. There are some games has zero chance for Linux ports and i simply don't want to spend money for them.

Why? Because i'm using Linux only which means i need use Wine to play them with a so so experience , caveats.

If i was a dual booter i would buy them too. Because i simply don't like to pay for an unsupported product and suffer.

In fact , people like you are much more dangerous to Linux gaming scene. You are simply saying :

Linux support is not important for me to buy your products.

Great logic

Time to tear this down, bit by bit.

Quoting: LeopardLol , Windows guys are pirating much more than us. There is why Denuvo like things exist

Yes, because that's so comparable isn't it. It's not. Use your brain.

If you really can't see how piracy would affect a ~1% market in comparison to a ~90% market, then you're utterly delusional. I have to go back to my earlier points, we're a small market and we need to pull developers in. How the hell do we do that if morons go around saying they take other developers work without paying in? We're already not worth the effort for plenty of developers, that only makes it even worse.

Quoting: LeopardAnd also , you're just keep saying like " You are pirating every piece of software"

If you want i can just put screenshot of my Steam payments. Pure Linux compatible games and i'm spending much more than my Windows days to games.

Buying one game, doesn't make up for not buying another. That's not logic, that's just silliness.

Quoting: LeopardWe are not pirating Linux games or games has a possibility for Linux ports. There are some games has zero chance for Linux ports and i simply don't want to spend money for them.

Why? Because i'm using Linux only which means i need use Wine to play them with a so so experience , caveats.

As I said before, even using Wine, makes you a customer. You should be paying if the developer requires payment. It's that simple, to say otherwise makes you morally wrong.

Quoting: LeopardIf i was a dual booter i would buy them too. Because i simply don't like to pay for an unsupported product and suffer.

This is where your argument falls completely apart. So, if you dual booted, you would pay, but because it's not on Linux and you would use Wine...you wouldn't pay? Palm, meet face.

Quoting: LeopardIn fact , people like you are much more dangerous to Linux gaming scene. You are simply saying :

Linux support is not important for me to buy your products.

Great logic

Backwards, opinions like yours are really damaging to Linux gaming.

Absolutely no one is saying Linux support is not important. How the hell did you even get to that point? We're talking very specifically about people who pirate because something doesn't support Linux. Using excuses to try and validate how they rip-off developers. Some people will buy things to run them in Wine, that's their decision, but they should still pay.

On that note, let this be the end of this. It's gone on long enough, we do not support piracy here. Take it elsewhere.

This was supposed to be about getting Dying Light 2 on Linux, not about some people's delusions about being entitled to not pay for software just because it's not on Linux. Anymore like that will be removed after this point.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 30 June 2018 at 8:40 pm UTC

I'm closing this now, since people keep trying to continue it.