Techland haven't decided if Dying Light 2 will be on Linux

Please grow up. It doesn't matter at all what you do with the game. If you use it for whatever purpose you'll have to pay, anything else is theft/piracy or what you prefer to call it.

Unauthorized copy. Or piracy.
But it is not theft. There is no subtraction. Even if it is a crime, it is a different crime.
Tired response? Yeah, for a tired argument.

Well, in here where I live it isn't even crime to download.

Not a crime perhaps in certain countries, but ethical or even moral? That's a different story.

At GOL, we firmly believe you should support developers if you intended to use their software, regardless of it natively supporting Linux or not. The fact is, if you're "pirating" it to play it in Wine, you should really still be buying it. You're not entitled to anyone's work for free if they require a purchase for it.

i havent played dead island riptide. ill gonna buy it now and play it on linux. maybe it helps techland to decide

do we know if they use VULKAN for windows?
i think it would be easier to port it to linux then, like this article says about doom
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/doom-2016-could-have-been-on-linux-id-software-made-a-linux-version-sound-easy-to-do.11465

Please grow up. It doesn't matter at all what you do with the game. If you use it for whatever purpose you'll have to pay, anything else is theft/piracy or what you prefer to call it.

Unauthorized copy. Or piracy.
But it is not theft. There is no subtraction. Even if it is a crime, it is a different crime.
Tired response? Yeah, for a tired argument.

Well, in here where I live it isn't even crime to download.

Not a crime perhaps in certain countries, but ethical or even moral? That's a different story.

At GOL, we firmly believe you should support developers if you intended to use their software, regardless of it natively supporting Linux or not. The fact is, if you're "pirating" it to play it in Wine, you should really still be buying it. You're not entitled to anyone's work for free if they require a purchase for it.

Oh, you nicely skipped what I told earlier.

i havent played dead island riptide. ill gonna buy it now and play it on linux. maybe it helps techland to decide

do we know if they use VULKAN for windows?
i think it would be easier to port it to linux then, like this article says about doom
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/doom-2016-could-have-been-on-linux-id-software-made-a-linux-version-sound-easy-to-do.11465

Probably DX11 ( for Windows 7 users ) and DX12 combined ( because of Xbox One version), little chance for Vulkan.

At GOL, we firmly believe you should support developers if you intended to use their software, regardless of it natively supporting Linux or not. The fact is, if you're "pirating" it to play it in Wine, you should really still be buying it. You're not entitled to anyone's work for free if they require a purchase for it.

Without going deep on this discussion, I just want to point out that pirates (crackers, actually) do a valuable service for Linux gamers: they strip DRM-infested games of those diseases, and usually do other stuff too, like removing inconveniences like spyware (e.g. redshell), or the need to stay online / log in to steam. Many games would not even run in wine if there is no such people to work that out. As Liam said, though, paying a developer for its work is a moral obligation, there is no running from that. DRM and spyware are not moral too.

Also, not all cracked games comes to available to majority or normal users. You can easily find all scene cracked games with http://predb.me/?search=linux (as titles only, that site doesn't give .torrent links) but still, not all of those comes to .torrent or such. Piracy is not rly that big of a thing if you ask me (what comes to pirating linux games), its just a small percentage of a games which comes to downloadable to normal users.


Last edited by Jarno on 29 Jun 2018 at 7:53 pm UTC

As expected. I'm always doubting any games shown on Microsoft E3 will launched on Linux. Including beloved CP2077 (sorry guys). If the games 'shown on Microsoft E3' launched on Linux, great but i'm expecting the game will become broken like Ark. If the games doesn't become 'Ark', then I will buy it. That's the lesson I learned after become Linux gamer.

Sorry guys, but my perception sometimes hard to change. And for many reasons.

As expected. I'm always doubting any games shown on Microsoft E3 will launched on Linux. Including beloved CP2077 (sorry guys). If the games 'shown on Microsoft E3' launched on Linux, great but i'm expecting the game will become broken like Ark. If the games doesn't become 'Ark', then I will buy it. That's the lesson I learned after become Linux gamer.

Sorry guys, but my perception sometimes hard to change. And for many reasons.

You are very right , why are you keep saying sorry though?

Until they support Linux properly , no bucks from me.

Also a clarification to running repacked games:

If i had to buy every Windows only title to run them with Wine , i would dual boot or single boot to Windows instead. I don't like to pay and suffer.

You are very right , why are you keep saying sorry though?

It's Asian culture way to say "That's is my opinion but I'm respecting yours" (old habit die hard). I think other culture also have a same way to expressing their opinion.

Until they support Linux properly , no bucks from me.

Also a clarification to running repacked games:

If i had to buy every Windows only title to run them with Wine , i would dual boot or single boot to Windows instead. I don't like to pay and suffer.

Agree. No tux no bucks. No negotiate.

About repackaged (Windows) games and Wine. I'd rather return back sailing on 'torrent seas' because pirated Windows games are always much more stable than original one.

Oh, you nicely skipped what I told earlier.

On how you pirate games? No I didn't skip that, I'm aware you feel entitled to the works of others and make excuses for it. Not having a demo is not an excuse. All I see is the usual excuses.

If you want a game, that normally costs money - pay for it. If it's not on your platform, that doesn't mean shit, you're still in the wrong.

We have mostly open rules about commenting here, but openly talking about how you pirate games, when we're a minority platform trying to get more games, is extremely counter-productive. Stop.

If they work on a vulkan renderer then it becomes multi-platform ready, I seriously hope this developer understands that. Kinda getting sick of developers spending time on releasing their game with 3 or 4 graphics API's just to work on all the platforms, its INSANE!

PS. You can buy a title on Steam and then get a refund a couple days later if you don't like it. I have done this a few times, even recently with post scriptum (too hard for me, too buggy). That's basically a free demo right there!


Last edited by TheRiddick on 29 Jun 2018 at 10:25 pm UTC

That is why I said multi-platform ready. And not just works on other platforms.

Once you have the Graphics API sorted out then the rest can then fall into place in due time, if they just use DX11 or 12 for example, then its far from ready for porting to other platforms!

Also there are plenty of wrapping solutions for the other components that a developer can look at using.

The graphics API is the BIG thing that controls how well a game will run on a platform, we have seen DOOM work almost 1:1 windows performance with Wine, yet it ONLY has vulkan/opengl API's and NONE of the other components sorted out!


Last edited by TheRiddick on 29 Jun 2018 at 10:34 pm UTC

I bought Dying Light one year ago. Actual play time 0 minutes, it never worked on my machine, neither with Mesa or Mesa-git. So if they release it for Linux, they hopefully make it work as well. Otherwise I can't see what's the difference to a Windows only release. I paid the full price for this game, but so far I got 0 fun and 0 service. Technology wise I hope they go Vulkan only for Dying Light 2 to reduce bugs.

Did you change the Launch Options in Steam to "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=4.5 MESA_GLSL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=450 %command%"? This is needed for it to start on Mesa since it tries to open v4.5 of the compat profile instead of the proper core profile.

I did, I did strace, gdb and no luck at all, I was thinking even use a disassembler like ida to look into source code and find what they did wrong but assembly language is my Achilles tendon, my BASIC and Pascal languages knowledge it won't help at this moment :(, after Mesa 17 the Chrome Engine 6 itself stopped work and nothing based on same engine will work, in all logs that I got it fails to detect graphics card and memory, fills up around 700mb ram and crash to desktop.
Anyone else is getting [0] vram detected in game logs "$HOME/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Dying Light/DW/out/logs/"?


Last edited by eddie-foss on 29 Jun 2018 at 10:36 pm UTC

I would seek help in the Dying Light steam discussion group. That is likely to get you somewhere faster. (don't forget to use search function)

Well. I always love Linux support. But Dying Light doesn't even work on my Arch distro. I get further into the game using DXVK.

Just tested it on Antergos NVIDIA 1080ti 396.24.02 and it works fine for me.

I'd say this is a AMD driver issue, either your driver isn't the right version (amdgpu is best one) or mesa is not updated.

I intend to move back to a AMD graphics card once a 1080ti beater comes out, one day.
(could take a while since AMD seems to have shrunk their GPU engineer department to a hair string).


Last edited by TheRiddick on 29 Jun 2018 at 11:20 pm UTC

Well. I always love Linux support. But Dying Light doesn't even work on my Arch distro. I get further into the game using DXVK.

This an AMD issue and probably will be fixed on Mesa 18.2

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2018-June/198824.html

And also a user confirmation:

Hi

I can confirm Dying Light is still working great with this series, it
doesn't require any overrides and changes to the graphical settings no
longer cause crashes

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2018-June/198844.html

Game works for Nvidia like since it is out , because Nvidia driver always had compat profiles while AMD open source driver wasn't until last year.

O my, Techland you have to support Linux. It's the only platform I support and Dying light 2 has to be on it, so please please please bring it to linux.................................................................................
But wait they said coming to PC I to have a PC, what was I thinking of course I mean how else am I writing this comment, on my PC that runs an awesome distro called Linux mint on PC :)


Last edited by Tuxgamer on 30 Jun 2018 at 1:00 am UTC

Linux is not PC for allot of developers, sadly.

Please grow up. It doesn't matter at all what you do with the game. If you use it for whatever purpose you'll have to pay, anything else is theft/piracy or what you prefer to call it.

Unauthorized copy. Or piracy.
But it is not theft. There is no subtraction. Even if it is a crime, it is a different crime.
Tired response? Yeah, for a tired argument.

Well, in here where I live it isn't even crime to download.

Not a crime perhaps in certain countries, but ethical or even moral? That's a different story.

At GOL, we firmly believe you should support developers if you intended to use their software, regardless of it natively supporting Linux or not. The fact is, if you're "pirating" it to play it in Wine, you should really still be buying it. You're not entitled to anyone's work for free if they require a purchase for it.

Well, is not so simple. When you pay for a game you are not only paying for a license to play, you're also paying for support, something that you'll never get if you play with Wine. Also, in many countries (as mine) paying the price they ask for a game that will certainly not work well is not fun at all and a big problem for our wallets (in fact, when I first payed for DL, I had to make a refund due that it wasn't working with Mesa. As soon as I checked that it was working with Mesa, I rebuyed).

Long story short: give support to my platform and you'll get my money. Don't give support to my platform, you'll never see my money. And with this assumption, that someone play a pirated version or not of a Windows game won't make any difference for the publisher as we aren't the market they are pointing towards (and I can support my statement based the actions and statements of darkwood devs).

The lengths to which people will go in their arguments to justify dubious morality...