Developers of the RPG 'Edge Of Eternity' are still waiting on Unity before supporting Linux

Let's hope the name of the game isn't foretelling how long it'll take to release.

If only someone from another company that has experience in 3D graphics with OpenGL/Vulkan, like Feral, would join unity. Someone like that could pick up such a list and push a little. Oh wait ..... :P

That list honestly doesn't look like it will come true any time soon.
Not exactly small things to implement, and if the Unity devs didn't bother to do so for Linux, I doubt they'll change their mind.

QuoteThey also said in that post, that they actually dropped some plugins that were blocking them from bringing it to Linux, so that's nice to know.

Sounds like they're serious about it...

Quoting: TheSHEEEPThat list honestly doesn't look like it will come true any time soon.
Not exactly small things to implement, and if the Unity devs didn't bother to do so for Linux, I doubt they'll change their mind.

They just replied again with this when asking if they've tried the most up to date Unity build:

QuoteYeah even the beta version and like i said we are in touch with them concerning those issues

Quoting: Eike

QuoteThey also said in that post, that they actually dropped some plugins that were blocking them from bringing it to Linux, so that's nice to know.

Sounds like they're serious about it...

If they were serious, why did they initially include those plugins at one point at all? If they were serious, why didn't they fully evaluate the engine they were using and it's ease of port for all platforms they intended to target for. If they were serious, why not just apologize that they screwed up (if Linux was their intent) instead of putting the blame on the engine? If Linux wasn't official or only an experiment, why tease us with a demo? That's like taking a kid down to Orlando Florida, driving past Disney, then mumbling "the car's out gas".

I really don't want to sound like one of "those Linux people" developers are always scared of, but let's face facts here. Linux will not be taken seriously as a game platform if we don't freaking grumble about developers pussyfooting around as they are. Linux as a stretch goal, Linux a little while after the Windows release, all of it excuses by developers who are too scared (whether financially or developmentally) or ignorant. People don't play games on Linux because most anything that looks good (almost) ALWAYS puts us second... and not just second in terms of a few days or weeks, but more often then not, months to YEARS. Who, other than an already converted Linux user, would ever want to consider a platform where the developers are that sketchy?

Personally, I think we should stop with the "at least they're trying" bullshiz and tell them the truth.
You know WHY you see such low sales in your Linux port (that came out months to years later because you didn't know what you were doing)? It's because, if we had any interest in your game at all, we've probably already WATCHED your game on Twitch or YouTube for that entire time. By the time you actually DO release on Linux, most have probably FORGOTTEN you even exist!

I'm not a fool. I know Windows has the biggest market share, but if the developer truly wants to support all three platforms (Win, Mac, Linux), then the hardest part is up front. Pick the tools and libraries/engines that work for all those platforms and develop them AT THE SAME TIME. Sure, it might extend the development time by a few months, so the developer needs to budget for that. If they can't, then they need to just admit that and quit with the "maybe" or "stretch goal" crap because... really... they don't care enough for those extras to begin with and they'll just piss the platform users off.

That's my two cents.

If I read that correctly, the Unity engine has had Vulkan support for 1-2 years already:
-> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/unity-56-is-now-available-with-full-vulkan-support.9430

In May the Vulkan support for the Linux-Unity editor was even released in a beta version:
-> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Unity-2018.2-Beta

What are they waiting for??

Quoting: KuJoWhat are they waiting for??

If you would actually read the linked post, you'd already know what they are waiting for.

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: KuJoWhat are they waiting for??

If you would actually read the linked post, you'd already know what they are waiting for.

I've read and these are the OpenGL requirements because they are now panning to OpenGL.

My question is, what kind of Vulkan support are they waiting for? Vulkan is already supported since V5.6 and therefore March 2017(!)!
-> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/unity-56-is-now-available-with-full-vulkan-support.9430

Did you read the links in my posting?


Last edited by KuJo on 9 July 2018 at 2:50 pm UTC

Seems interesting, will try it when it's ready.

Quoting: KuJo

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: KuJoWhat are they waiting for??

If you would actually read the linked post, you'd already know what they are waiting for.

I've read and these are the OpenGL requirements because they are now panning to OpenGL.

My question is, what kind of Vulkan support are they waiting for? Vulkan is already supported since V5.6 and therefore March 2017(!)!
-> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/unity-56-is-now-available-with-full-vulkan-support.9430

Did you read the links in my posting?

The time they said about Vulkan was in 2016...

This game is making me flash back to Legends of Aethereus. Great looking RPG funded by kickstarter and using the Unity engine. Hopefully this pans out better; that game was abandoned before the final finishing touches and refinements that were promised were applied. That said I don't have any regrets spending the $20 on Aethereus; back then there were almost no decent linux games in the wild and I found it a lot of fun even in its incomplete beta form.

All of the tech they are 'waiting' for (including vulkan) are already in the Unity engine (btw the name Unity3D was dropped ages ago). They are using some of the Experimental branch tech too, but unless they are going custom on major levels they shouldn't have much problem in porting the game.

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: KuJo

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: KuJoWhat are they waiting for??

If you would actually read the linked post, you'd already know what they are waiting for.

I've read and these are the OpenGL requirements because they are now panning to OpenGL.

My question is, what kind of Vulkan support are they waiting for? Vulkan is already supported since V5.6 and therefore March 2017(!)!
-> https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/unity-56-is-now-available-with-full-vulkan-support.9430

Did you read the links in my posting?

The time they said about Vulkan was in 2016...

That makes it even worse. What they demanded in 2016 was realized in 2017. And in 2018 they switch to something else, which theoretically would have already been possible in 2016... *insane*!

EDIT
I've written the same thing in the steam thread now:
-> https://steamcommunity.com/app/269190/discussions/0/1727575977582091197/#c1727575977594909789


Last edited by KuJo on 9 July 2018 at 9:09 pm UTC

Doesn't look good actually, it's not just Unity they are waiting for, but mesa as well apparently. They say:

Quote- Sparse texture for terrain partial height streaming:
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/SparseTextures.html

And ARB_sparse_texture (the OpenGL extension) is not even in progress in mesa: https://mesamatrix.net/

Edit: Well... it means that AMD customers won't be able to play this game :(


Last edited by Creak on 9 July 2018 at 11:43 pm UTC

The working Linux demo was the reason I backed this. I really hope they don't back out of the support. I can't help myself to back any JRPG that boasts Linux support forefront.

There has been alot of vulkan development in many of these engines but like others have pointed out, not feature complete so makes it hard on developers. Even MoltenVK isn't feature complete.
To roll back game code to no use certain features is more hassle than it's worth so I can understand their, wait until its added mentality.

I'm skeptical about the accuracy of the developer's post. These have all been working on OpenGL+Linux since their inception, except the one that just doesn't make sense.

• Sparse textures: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, and explicitly listed in the Unity doc they linked as being supported on OpenGL


• Async GPU Readback: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, covered by automated tests


• GPU Fence API: Only used on PS4 today, not sure why this would be a blocker for Linux and not other desktop platforms


• Streaming mipmaps: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux

Quoting: TakI'm skeptical about the accuracy of the developer's post. These have all been working on OpenGL+Linux since their inception, except the one that just doesn't make sense.

• Sparse textures: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, and explicitly listed in the Unity doc they linked as being supported on OpenGL


• Async GPU Readback: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, covered by automated tests


• GPU Fence API: Only used on PS4 today, not sure why this would be a blocker for Linux and not other desktop platforms


• Streaming mipmaps: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux

Also on Vulkan?

Congrats on the 4 year cake by the way! :D

Quoting: TakI'm skeptical about the accuracy of the developer's post. These have all been working on OpenGL+Linux since their inception, except the one that just doesn't make sense.

• Sparse textures: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, and explicitly listed in the Unity doc they linked as being supported on OpenGL


• Async GPU Readback: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux, covered by automated tests


• GPU Fence API: Only used on PS4 today, not sure why this would be a blocker for Linux and not other desktop platforms


• Streaming mipmaps: Already supported on OpenGL+Linux

Now I'm confused...