Facepunch are no longer selling the Linux version of the survival game Rust (updated)

We should take in account their sales, from my point of view it should not matter the global statistics as they may be poisoned with multi-account and free to play.

We have had other publisher with way less people and they were quite supportive with our community. I cannot justify an statements as "we don't do QA because you're not enough for me". As I said before, there are other solutions, more than three years of nill QA sounds like he never care about us (and he really stated that in his tweets). I don't say he hates our platform, but this guys are definitely the type of devs I don't want to give my money.

Here you can see the number of total sessions from all platforms: https://rust.facepunch.com/stats
Based on that, plus the fact that Unity + Nvidia has fucked shit up the last 3+months for them makes the decision understandable.
They can't pour enough resources into it to officially support it, and they are admitting that.

The fact that they'll keep building and shipping a linux version after all those issues, the outrage from the community and the tiny number of sessions is interesting and it makes me happy. It shows that they don't just want to drop linux, they just can't officially support it.

I said sales and they should know the number (but we don't). Also, I was talking about the poor QA (to not say null) it the last years. Sorry, you may find it understandable (maybe I would if I see sales numbers), but it's not justifiable to not have QA on a OS you support. Game Engines and drivers fuck games in any OS, that's something that usually happens, and having QA is what lets you workaround or announce to your community this problems.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Not even sure what you issue is with what I've said exactly. I'm sad about it, but I won't throw hate around like some do.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 27 July 2018 at 8:35 pm UTC

Meh. I'm...unimpressed.

And, he can go stuff his remarks about being "abusive" and the like in my case. I'm one of his peers in the industry. This calls for a bit of a Torvalds-like RANT.

Not enough QA and won't? F'ing MORON. Seriously.

From the many decades of doing coding of all sorts for all the primary platforms (this being OSX, UNIX (inc. *BSD), Linux, Windows, and Android) he's full of sh*t. If there's a bug in NVidia or AMD support, the odds are REALLY strong your code has a bug in it, not the drivers or the engine. In 80-90% of the cases the devs in question either didn't look at the API spec carefully enough and the drivers and/or OS cut them slack.

There's craploads of *BAD* practices out there in Windows that VS gleefully lets you get away with.
Not so on other platforms. The studios I've helped get games going for had serious lurker type issues in 32-bit->64-bit cleanliness and the like. LOTS of assumptions. Some of them honest mistakes. Some of them not so. Building for Linux pretty much ensures you get caught out on fails like that.

ANYONE making remarks like this aren't as much of a bigshot or major dev of anything as they're puffing themselves up to be.

Folks, you can rest assured that I will be making a Linux version of the games I'm responsible for if the funding comes through for things. It doesn't matter about QA- QA is the whole budget for all platforms. If you don't have enough QA resources, your product is crappier than you're willing to own or you're understaffed and chintzing. And...I am working on something right now. Seriously. Just can't disclose what or how now. :-D

OK, how do I get my money back, cause this game will get lawyers hot!

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

I'd hesitate to say not been "victimized"... It doesn't require being singled out. Though, if you think about it with Garry's response, yeah, we all got singled out there. I was silent before...not anymore as indicated above.

You can't and SHOULDN'T go where he did. And this was all an excuse. In all honesty, you paid for rights to the engine...but that doesn't let you off the hook for your game. In most cases, you got SOURCE CODE to the damned thing (I know I will be for the stuff I'm working on...) and you should be able to debug it because if it's an "Unity" or "NVidia" so-called "bug"- the likelihood of it being a shader fail, a vertex fail, or the like goes up quite a bit. There's all sorts of stories I could tell you all about my stint as an AMD employee at Marlborough before they closed down the offices there. Omitted shader constants that NVidia compensated for at the cost of actual performance. Idiot things in a AAA title where the 'tards didn't read the OpenGL spec closely (Always read a "may" as a "shall" unless you're targetting a single known accelerator brand and line within the same... You'll get better results. The mentioned was a bug in a VERY popular AAA title whose franchise has changed hands a few years back. Game went from +100 fps in a scene to 10 seconds per frame. Wasn't the driver, though you COULD fix it with that.)

If they're not fixing it, it's a cop-out because if it's "broken" on other targets, the odds are fairly stiff it's broken and you just don't know it on Windows. Pure and simple, QA shouldn't CARE about targets and the excuse he fobbed off is...embarrassing and disappointing from someone who IS in this industry. Happens all the time, yes- bit that hardly excuses it. I'm just as pissed with Bungie, all things considered, about Destiny 2 for similar reasons, really.


Last edited by svartalf on 27 July 2018 at 8:45 pm UTC

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

I'd hesitate to say not been "victimized"... It doesn't require being singled out. Though, if you think about it with Garry's response, yeah, we all got singled out there. I was silent before...not anymore as indicated above.

You can't and SHOULDN'T go where he did. And this was all an excuse. In all honesty, you paid for rights to the engine...but that doesn't let you off the hook for your game. If they're not fixing it, it's a cop-out because if it's "broken" on other targets, the odds are fairly stiff it's broken and you just don't know it on Windows. Pure and simple, QA shouldn't CARE about targets and the excuse he fobbed off is...embarrassing and disappointing from someone who IS in this industry. Happens all the time, yes- bit that hardly excuses it. I'm just as pissed with Bungie, all things considered, about Destiny 2 for similar reasons, really.

I'm just deciding not to take it as personally as some are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've always been realistic about Linux gaming and some people choose to be the opposite.

Totally understand things can get emotional, but I won't have people call out my integrity for not sending abuse to a developer.

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

Not talking junk actually but you're always doing this. At least be honest this time and beside with us , not with devs.

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

So TL DR ; you said that is understandable due to low market share. So that is also understandable for all other games too?

Correct me if i'm wrong to think like that.

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

Not talking junk actually but you're always doing this. At least be honest this time and beside with us , not with devs.

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

So TL DR ; you said that is understandable due to low market share. So that is also understandable for all other games too?

Correct me if i'm wrong to think like that.

You do understand what an "Update" is right? The article text was all up before Garry had properly responded and said any of that.

I'm just deciding not to take it as personally as some are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've always been realistic about Linux gaming and some people choose to be the opposite.

Totally understand things can get emotional, but I won't have people call out my integrity for not sending abuse to a developer.

As it probably ought to be. In my case, I am taking it as an affront. Why? Because I work in that industry as well as a few others and I really do take umbrage at bullsh*t being flung about- which is what that was... X-D

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

Not talking junk actually but you're always doing this. At least be honest this time and beside with us , not with devs.

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

So TL DR ; you said that is understandable due to low market share. So that is also understandable for all other games too?

Correct me if i'm wrong to think like that.

You do understand what an "Update" is right? The article text was all up before Garry had properly responded and said any of that.

Really Liam?

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

You said it to response for other user.

Like you said , i'm just thinking outside of our small box and decided when it comes to asking support ; right way is the Facepunch taking now.

We are not on Ars Technica Liam , we're on Gaming on Linux. I'm not saying that we should send him hate e-mails or similar. I'm completely against it.

If you are thinking as a journalist outside of small box , that this very website is also pointless.

Some Questions:

Anybody knows what this means for Gifts? (I still have a Rust copy in my inventory. I bought it weeks ago.)

Can the Linux version of Rust still be played via the Family View?

Do they still support Linux for Rust servers?


Last edited by 1xok on 27 July 2018 at 8:50 pm UTC

I'm just deciding not to take it as personally as some are. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've always been realistic about Linux gaming and some people choose to be the opposite.

Totally understand things can get emotional, but I won't have people call out my integrity for not sending abuse to a developer.

As it probably ought to be. In my case, I am taking it as an affront. Why? Because I work in that industry as well as a few others and I really do take umbrage at bullsh*t being flung about- which is what that was... X-D

Sure, you as a long time developer probably have a lot more insights than I do about actually making and shipping games (and yes I remember who you are ;)). I value your opinion, as I do for anyone. I just don't like resorting to slinging mud at people.

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Since his product is not free in any sense, and has been paid for, not supporting it properly from the beginning or removing support after the product has been paid for is victimizing those that have paid. Those that have paid are entitled to it. It's a contract, and he has not had a good track record of keeping up his end. I know he has stated he will continue to update it but you can expect that means that we should not expect it to work either, and he can point to the fact that it's unsupported. So in effect, we have paid for a product that they no longer wish to deliver on. The issue here is that we paid for it, just like everyone else.

Your article on the subject is nearly non-biased, however, the responses in the comments have not been. You should not deride the victims for the actions of the perpetrator.

I do appreciate your moderation approval of my last comment, I actually did not expect that actually.

Personally, I'm going to contact Valve and see if there's a refund process for an action like this. Why should Facepunch have the money for a product they aren't going to support. Something like a 50% refund would be fair, since it was supported and I did play it, but can't guarantee that in the future. I suggest everyone else do the same as well.

I understand what you're saying, as I said I'm pretty sad about it, but when you're literally unable to provide the service people expect because of Unity and GPU driver bugs (both of which are confirmed issues with Unity and NVIDIA I might add) - is it right to say it's supported and continue advertising it, to let people down when they buy it?

To be clear on my comments, up until just now there were all posted before Garry made the Twitter statements. Obviously I'm not impressed if they weren't doing any QA.

Moderation happens for new users (or users who have never posted). I won't remove comments that have a different opinion to mine (unless they're pretty extreme if you know what I mean), I'm able to appreciate the opposing side and change my mind if I feel I should - I'm not above being wrong at all in any situation.

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

Not talking junk actually but you're always doing this. At least be honest this time and beside with us , not with devs.

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

So TL DR ; you said that is understandable due to low market share. So that is also understandable for all other games too?

Correct me if i'm wrong to think like that.

You do understand what an "Update" is right? The article text was all up before Garry had properly responded and said any of that.

Really Liam?

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

You said it to response for other user.

Like you said , i'm just thinking outside of our small box and decided when it comes to asking support ; right way is the Facepunch taking now.

We are not on Ars Technica Liam , we're on Gaming on Linux. I'm not saying that we should send him hate e-mails or similar. I'm completely against it.

If you are thinking as a journalist outside of small box , that this very website is also pointless.

I'll be honest, at this point you've lost me. I literally have no idea what you're talking about any more...

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

There's a reason why I've been commenting on this.

The whole, we're not/won't do QA is bullshit. Pure and simple. QA is a function of the product as a whole. If you're not doing proper QA on all of it, you're doing it wrong. On an engine like Unity, Unreal, Crytek, etc. you exchange a bit of peak performance for an abstraction layer. Pure and simple. It's supposed to be almost largely 1 GAME that way. But there's potential for failures in the engine if someone hasn't exercised it properly on the target in question. That equates engineering analysis on that target to be fed back to the engine developer so they can fix it or incorporate the fixes YOU found when digging a bit deeper. You should have a moderately dedicated staff to DO that work and be able to handle any of the platforms and be able to do it as needed and per priority. If they don't have time to do that, what are they facing under Windows?

But it does require work on things. If they can't and won't do the work...was it really all that good a game?

I'd opine, "NOT".

Is it a symptom of much worse going on? Yeah...actually, it is.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

Hardly. I need only point to myself or the likes of Feral Interactive to show that this was bullshit.

Which is why I am bitching right now about all of this. It's lame on their part, really. Someone earlier on pinned it. Facepunch thought they could just click a button and crank out Linux binaries and not QA it at all. Heh. If you're not as much engineering driven, you're in for a nasty, nasty surprise. I'll bet they're overwhelmed with the WINDOWS bugs.

Sure, you as a long time developer probably have a lot more insights than I do about actually making and shipping games (and yes I remember who you are ;)). I value your opinion, as I do for anyone. I just don't like resorting to slinging mud at people.

Good. I'd hoped you'd remembered. :-D

I agree, mudslinging is inappropriate. Having said this... I'm not. There's a bit of justification, if only in legitimate IRE going on here. They just have opinion, where I've some experience and am being selective about the commentary, even if it IS ranting. X-D

I do hope my negotiations pan out. It'll mean a few rather wicked things to transpire. But then, I've had a few false starts on things in the past. I just wish that me and my partner in crime on the Myth trilogy franchise could get Take2 to wise up on things and remember they actually OWN that stuff... Be even more fun then.


Last edited by svartalf on 27 July 2018 at 9:03 pm UTC

I am personally disappointed in Liam Dawe for his statements against those that have been victimized by Garry over a number of years.

No one has been "victimized", do you even understand the meaning of that word? No one has been singled out and Facepunch aren't being cruel.

Liam, you as a journalist have a responsibility to the reader, and those that have been victimized, to be fair, and this is lacking.

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

Lol , with that pov ; we should never ask support for any game. Right?

Since we are minority?

Talking junk as usual I see. Not what I am saying, not even hinting at that at all.

Not talking junk actually but you're always doing this. At least be honest this time and beside with us , not with devs.

Facepunch dev clearly states he won't / he wasn't doing a QA regarding Linux builds. And you're saying that is understandable due to low market share.

Than it must be also true for all devs too , since market share is not specific to Rust. It is on nearly every game.

So TL DR ; you said that is understandable due to low market share. So that is also understandable for all other games too?

Correct me if i'm wrong to think like that.

You do understand what an "Update" is right? The article text was all up before Garry had properly responded and said any of that.

Really Liam?

No, as a journalist I have a responsibility to not be biased, to think outside our small box and think about all angles. Which I am doing.

You said it to response for other user.

Like you said , i'm just thinking outside of our small box and decided when it comes to asking support ; right way is the Facepunch taking now.

We are not on Ars Technica Liam , we're on Gaming on Linux. I'm not saying that we should send him hate e-mails or similar. I'm completely against it.

If you are thinking as a journalist outside of small box , that this very website is also pointless.

I'll be honest, at this point you've lost me. I literally have no idea what you're talking about any more...

Saying or at least implying that " Linux support pulled due to X facts but that is understandable " is not suitable for a Linux gaming website imo.

Sure , we are small and we're lucky to have so many games but that shouldn't mean when a negative thing occurs like this ; normalizing it is not helpful.

Then how other developers keep being synced and supporting Windows , Mac , Linux same time? Either that must be a some sort of magic or that is simply that Facepunch's situation is out of excuses.

This is not Kotaku , we are here for a reason. If i would like to see Windows point of view when it comes to Linux , i wouldn't be here.

I'm very sad about this.

Had so much fun playing Rust.
One of my favourite Linux native games.
Hope they change their mind about Linux support on the final release.