DXVK, the Vulkan-based layer for Direct3D 11 with Wine has another fresh release

Quoting: Kristian

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: KristianSo DXVK not being merged into Wine, does that mean that the Wine project will continue their effort to implement DX11 on top of OpenGL? So there will be two separate DX11 implementations on Linux?

Yes, they are continuing working on D3D11 over OpenGL. It's already working for the most part, except for performance issues which they didn't address yet.

See https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44315

Thanks that is quite interesting. At one point then there could be two complete implementations of D3D11 on Linux. Might seem a bit redundant, but a natural consequence of FLOSS. In the proprietary world if you don't like something, too bad. You often can't do anything about it.

I would argue it's not redundant, even a little, for a number of reasons.
OpenGL is a well-supported, well-established, and simpler API. Vulkan, as great as it potentially and practically may be, isn't even available on all hardware and software configurations. Completing the OpenGL implementation regardless of the progress of the Vulkan one broadens potential targets on which you'll be able to play Windows games. Broader availability is always better, I think is safe to say.

And having two implementations drastically improves debugging potential. It's immensely easier to figure out a problem when you have a reference implementation that already solved it.

Quoting: qptain NemoI would argue it's not redundant, even a little, for a number of reasons.
OpenGL is a well-supported, well-established, and simpler API. Vulkan, as great as it potentially and practically may be, isn't even available on all hardware and software configurations. Completing the OpenGL implementation regardless of the progress of the Vulkan one broadens potential targets on which you'll be able to play Windows games.

I'd argue, features that are needed to implement D3D11 in OpenGL require quite high OpenGL version (4.5 practically), so any hardware / OS configuration which supports that should support Vulkan as well. But having another implementation is good anyway.


Last edited by Shmerl on 5 August 2018 at 4:41 pm UTC

Quoting: KristianSo DXVK not being merged into Wine, does that mean that the Wine project will continue their effort to implement DX11 on top of OpenGL? So there will be two separate DX11 implementations on Linux?

Personally consider follow with actual translation is a big time loss specially with actual DXVK state

^_^

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With DXVK using Core i3 8350K Tri-Core @ 5.0ghz + CoolerMaster Hyper T4

I'm seriously tempted to break my “five year rule” and buy that now. My specs aren't quite up to yours, but I could live with 30fps.

Quoting: DuncI'm seriously tempted to break my “five year rule” and buy that now. My specs aren't quite up to yours, but I could live with 30fps.

Wait a bit more, until there is a workaround for missing stream output. I haven't played the game through yet because of it.


Last edited by Shmerl on 5 August 2018 at 9:54 pm UTC

Quoting: DuncI'm seriously tempted to break my “five year rule” and buy that now.

My specs aren't quite up to yours, but I could live with 30fps.

For now try wait because steam flash sales possible back

https://www.techpowerup.com/246478/valve-reportedly-bringing-flash-sales-back-from-the-dead

Many game houses with actual lower discounts can provide better discounts in short time

Respect specs ryzen 7nm must be stay very close in single thread than my actual core i3 8350K Tri-core 5.0ghz

^_^

I would like to see a comparison between the Feral ports of Tomb Raider (2013), Mad Max and Rise of the Tomb Raider versus the windows versions of those games running via wine/DXVK..

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI would like to see a comparison between the Feral ports

TL;DR of that would be that it beats the native port of TR2013 by a mile but runs into some weird issues with Tessellation enabled that I never figured out, while the native port of RoTTR beats DXVK by a mile (not to mention that RoTTR is completely unplayable on dxvk because it has insane amounts of shader compiler stutter).


Last edited by YoRHa-2B on 6 August 2018 at 4:42 pm UTC

Quoting: YoRHa-2BNnot to mention that RoTTR is completely unplayable on dxvk because it has insane amounts of shader compiler stutter.

Is the only way to reduce it, to make shader compiler itself much faster / parallelized?


Last edited by Shmerl on 7 August 2018 at 1:17 am UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: DuncI'm seriously tempted to break my “five year rule” and buy that now. My specs aren't quite up to yours, but I could live with 30fps.

Wait a bit more, until there is a workaround for missing stream output. I haven't played the game through yet because of it.

I heard this is a problem linked to LLVM version 6? Do you think it will be fixed with LLVM 7 releasing in September?