Feral Interactive are teasing a brand new native Linux port

Well the star is in the shape of chaos marines from warhammer and 8 pointed star there were so many warhammer licenced games not on linux it could be any of them.

Quoting: EikeWhat are you doing with games? Debugging them just for fun or professional?

Debugging them so that they run on DXVK. And in case of Frostpunk, that one one silly D3D9 frame was causing issues because the wined3d swap chain was interfering with the Vulkan swap chain created by DXVK, which required a workaround.

Quoting: RoosterAs far as I know, you can't play Skyrim using Proton yet. Or am I wrong?

According to the compatibility chart, you should be able to play the original but not the Special Edition.

Could it be Kingdom Come Deliverance? I hope so.

Quoting: LeopardSince i didn't see any smiley , emoji after your first sentence-quote i'm in an urge to say this:

He is the dev of DXVK.

Thanks! I was asking because I didn't know! :)

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Quoting: RoosterAs far as I know, you can't play Skyrim using Proton yet. Or am I wrong?

According to the compatibility chart, you should be able to play the original but not the Special Edition.

Both versions work in Wine, but I don't have any voice sounds there. I tried the Special Edition with Proton, still the same problem. Actually, the SE works even better then the original Skyrim. Better performance, better graphics, has controller support.

My guess is F1 2018.

Quoting: GuestWhy would that be the case? That's not a stopping in the least.
For all intents and purposes the stream-output fuctionality can be emulated easily and it's not really needed by Vulkan.

Metal doesn't even has geometrt or (proper) tessellation shader support, but that has never been a blocker ;)

I'm just guessing based on the game engine and how DXVK progresses, I don't know the actual reasons what Feral is facing and I don't have the technical knowledge to say anything useful regarding implementation details. I could be very wrong.
Would you mind creating a PR to emulate stream-output functionality for DXVK? ;)


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Quoting: RoosterAs far as I know, you can't play Skyrim using Proton yet. Or am I wrong?

According to the compatibility chart, you should be able to play the original but not the Special Edition.

Both versions work in Wine, but I don't have any voice sounds there. I tried the Special Edition with Proton, still the same problem. Actually, the SE works even better then the original Skyrim. Better performance, better graphics, has controller support.

In my case I have no voices on either version of Skyrim & exiting brings my system to a grinding halt. Looks good when it's working though, so there is hope.

Quoting: elmapuli have no clue, but as much as this "guess the game" game is fun, i think they should stop making it now that valve announced proton.

just think about it, if an game start to working on linux before they finish their port, many people will buy it before the game even get ported.
if they dont even announce what they are porting, many people will start troubleshooting it on wine, as if there isnt tomorrow (as if the game would never be ported otherwise)

so when they finish the port, they may earn almost nothing!

Don't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.


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Quoting: riusma"Working with fire and steel" is a song from China Crisis... there is always a song in the clue!

China you say? Guess it's Total War: THREE KINGDOMS then.

Would be nice to see the series continued on Linux, however I personally would prefer something different.

Not going to blame Feral about the situation, I highly respect all the work they have done from day one, but it feels like it's hard to get ports outside of these 2 or 3 franchises for which they have developped all the tools for a smooth porting process. I guess the AAA studios they used to make deals with are harder to convince compared to what it was back in 2014-2015... We all know why.

Edit: Weird formulation.

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Quoting: liamdaweWould be nice to see the series continued on Linux, however I personally would prefer something different.

This is kind of my main gripe with Feral as well, it's great to get stuff ported over, but they are doing mostly stuff that I personally don't care about. At all.

The Tomb Raider franchise being an exception. I hope they'll do Shadow of the Tomb Raider as well, and within a few months of the Windows release at most.

Well, I understand not everyone likes Total War games but it's a huge franchise on PC.
And in the past couple of years there have been quite the variety in ports I think.
Deus Ex, Hitman, Tomb Raider, XCOM, Life is Strange, Dawn of War, Mad Max, F12017, Dirt Rally and probably more I forgot about.

Ofc in the end is a matter of personal preferences, and likely your favorite games that you'd love on Linux is not thete, but there's only so many titles Feral can port and I think it has a pretty wide and varied catalog.

Quoting: jensMy guess is that Ferals is also waiting for a DX stream-output like feature to get into Vulkan specifications and drivers.

Why would that be the case? That's not a stopping in the least.
For all intents and purposes the stream-output fuctionality can be emulated easily and it's not really needed by Vulkan.

Metal doesn't even has geometrt or (proper) tessellation shader support, but that has never been a blocker ;)

A lot of Unity games require stream output. In Life is Strange: Before the Storm it's a critical feature since without it, the characters are all invisible. Stream output might not be needed for Vulkan games in general, but it is needed for wrapping these d3d11 games in an efficient manner. Pretty sure this is what's blocking LiS: Before the Storm, and it's the same in Wine+DXVK / Proton. The game runs great in Wine without DXVK though. You can run it in Proton right now if you add the following start parameter: PROTON_USE_WINED3D11=1 %command%


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Quoting: BrisseDon't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.

I remember the same! That would make one interesting question...

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Maybe Red Faction: Guerrilla ReMarstered Edition?!

This picture *somehow* makes me think of homefront... There could be something to dig there, esp. WRT China.

However, the part about fire and steel is (I believe) often used as a metaphor for car engines, so it could be a racing title. (I also can't help, but to think about the doom 2016 teaser "Fused in an holy union of flesh and metal").

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Quoting: BrisseDon't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.

I remember the same! That would make one interesting question...

What I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

For now I tend to stop thinking about what future game will be released from Feral.
Some of your hopes are nice, and I would like to see some games on Linux like Shadow Warrior 2 for example.
But since I'm a DRM-free guy (I don't want to relaunch the debate) I don't believe they could release any game on Linux that's exist on GOG store for example.
The exception is XCOM, which was released on GOG recently but AFTER the Linux port.
I would be very surprised of the contrary.
So I don't think Shadow Warrior 2 is possible, or Frostpunk, or Red Faction Guerilla ReMarstered, or Kingdom Come.

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Quoting: EikeWhat I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

Yes it's linux, Liam already got the confirmation from Valve

Quoting: BrisseWhat I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

In that GIANT Proton news discussion, I read a quote from one of the devs that how you play it within the first two weeks determines what platform it gets counted for. And Proton does count as linux - no idea about non-Proton Wine, though.

Don't ask me to find that quote, though.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: BrisseDon't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.

I remember the same! That would make one interesting question...

What I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

Yes, the platform you play it more on in the two weeks following the purchase determine the platform that it's counted at. Proton is counted as Linux. This has been stated many times before, and repeated by the Great Liam Himself in the two [bottom] proton articles lately. (a permalink to article updates would be nice, Liam)

The real question here is rather: does the Feral radar count as an official announcement?


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Quoting: Brisse

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: BrisseDon't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.

I remember the same! That would make one interesting question...

What I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

Yes, the platform you play it more on in the two weeks following the purchase determine the platform that it's counted at. Proton is counted as Linux. This has been stated many times before, and repeated by the Great Liam Himself in the two [bottom] proton articles lately. (a permalink to article updates would be nice, Liam)

The real question here is rather: does the Feral radar count as an official announcement?

Sure it'll be counted as Linux. However, since there is no Linux developer at the time, the money will go to the main developer.

Once a Linux developer publishes a Linux version, from there on the money for the Linux purchases will go to them.

So the problem with Proton in this case is that if someone develops and then publishes a Linux version at some point in the future, they will lose out on the previous Linux purchases using Proton.

This is just my understanding of how it all works.

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Quoting: Brisse

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: BrisseDon't quote me on this, but I believe I've read on Feral's Twitter that if you buy a game that was announced but not released by Feral, and you do it from a Linux-machine, they still get their cut, as long as you avoid playing it on a Windows-machine within the first two weeks.

I remember the same! That would make one interesting question...

What I'm curious to know is if you buy it now and play using Proton, does Feral still get their cut? Someone should ask on their Twitter, but I don't have a Twitter-account :)

Yes, the platform you play it more on in the two weeks following the purchase determine the platform that it's counted at. Proton is counted as Linux. This has been stated many times before, and repeated by the Great Liam Himself in the two [bottom] proton articles lately. (a permalink to article updates would be nice, Liam)

The real question here is rather: does the Feral radar count as an official announcement?

Sure it'll be counted as Linux. However, since there is no Linux developer at the time, the money will go to the main developer.

Once a Linux developer publishes a Linux version, from there on the money for the Linux purchases will go to them.

So the problem with Proton in this case is that if someone develops and then publishes a Linux version at some point in the future, they will lose out on the previous Linux purchases using Proton.

This is just my understanding of how it all works.

That's not always going to be the case. So this is somewhat based on assumptions, but since Feral stated they get their cut on Linux sales that happen before a port is released as long as it's a game they have already announced, and considering Proton counts as Linux, it seems that you can go out and buy for example LiS:BtS right now, play it in Proton, and Feral will still get their cut since it's a game they already announced, and the sale counts as Linux.


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