Football Manager 2019 announced and sadly it's not coming to Linux

Here’s my thought to SI:
Keep your re-skinned overpriced 2019 resource hungry Java crap.
I’ll be fine without it.

Now beetwen us: I have 2012, 2014, 2015 and a few other boxed versions and the only reason I don’t have them all is because of the stupid price tag.
This game is hugely overpriced!
Also, a football management game where you can’t praise/complain on individual player actions is crap (don’t know if it’s coming to 2019 or not but it should have come years ago).

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: LeopardPeople on Linux don't buy games

Makes me wonder where those 417 Linux titles in my Steam library come from. Well, quite a few come from Humble Bundles, but apart from that I've bought 17 games so far in 2018. In they weren't even in the below-one-Euro pricing range: Helium Rain, Factorio, Skyforce Reloaded, RUINER, ROTR, Steamworld Dig 2,...

I'd rather say people on Windows don't buy games. They copy 'em.

Obviously that is not enough when you compare ports cost/ Linux staff cost vs sales.

Congrats for you man

Quoting: Beamboom

Quoting: LeopardPeople on Linux don't buy games

Why do you bother stating such obviously wrong claims? Why are you even here, on a site with pretty much only Linux gamers buying games (with the possibly single exception being you).

I'm here because i'm a gamer on Linux. That's it.

But problem is that ; Football Manager is a PC exclusive game. Means consoles are out. So that is very niche and Linux gamers can/ could mean so much more to them than Linux gamers did to say Rockstar , Epic Games , CDPR and so on.

That is a warning bell.

There is an obvious statement about strategy genre on Linux: it is maybe most represented genre on Linux. Reason is simple. Strategy games are not on consoles because of their nature.

If that also spread to strategy , you can say pretty much Linux gaming took a devastating blow.

SEGA is one of the most Linux friendly publishers , i hope they continue to support.

Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: LeopardPeople on Linux don't buy games

Makes me wonder where those 417 Linux titles in my Steam library come from. Well, quite a few come from Humble Bundles, but apart from that I've bought 17 games so far in 2018. In they weren't even in the below-one-Euro pricing range: Helium Rain, Factorio, Skyforce Reloaded, RUINER, ROTR, Steamworld Dig 2,...

I'd rather say people on Windows don't buy games. They copy 'em.

Obviously that is not enough when you compare ports cost/ Linux staff cost vs sales.

Congrats for you man

Woo, look at those goalposts fly!

(232 Linux games on my Steam library, aside from a few freebies from Humble and the like all paid for with real money)

This is more like a case of selectively weeding the garden, than getting the Flamethrower out. All is well in the world of Linux Gaming, and I'm reminded about that everytime I look at that huge pile of good games I'm either working through, or have yet to start, and at the 47 very good looking games sitting at the top of my wishlist.

This may be one of those games where the target audience and the Linux audience have a very small overlap. I don't think I've met many Linux gamers that have the slightest interest in Football. If they were anywhere close to that 1% share, then the whole financial thing would never be an issue.

Like many of you guys, I don't agree with the Leopard's statement.
I think a buy a lot of Linux games (and Windows games too when It's old enough).
On GOG I have more than 250 Linux Games (nearly 480 with Windows games), plus some others on Itch.io or Humble Bundle...

In the other hand, I do understand some of your statements/behavior (Leopard), like pirating games from devs who don't care a single bit about Linux gamers (I could do it, but I don't). But I have to say that sometimes I would like to do it...
Because I buy games from devs/publishers/stores who have respect for us (Linux version, DRM-Free etc), but why bother to care about people who don't care about you?
The problem is, that's become an excuse for them to say "Linux gamers pirate all games and don't buy them", it shows a bad picture of a minority from a minority...

It would be simpler to understand that we want to buy only games from devs who support us. No amalgam.
Again I have no problem with that, but I understand why some do.

Quoting: LeopardStrategy games are not on consoles because of their nature.

Yeah but you know, there are exceptions with that, remind me of Age of Empires II on PlayStation 2 for example.
And you can find games on consoles that fits better on PC...
But I don't think it's a problem.

And for Football Manager, I don't play it and don't want to (Football is not really my thing).


Last edited by Cyril on 6 August 2018 at 1:21 pm UTC

The last edition I played was the original, on the ZX81.

And it was open source. Not explicitly, but it was written in BASIC: you could break into the program and edit the code. It wouldn't be too hard to update it to 2018/19. :)

LGA -> Linux Gamers Anonymous . Hi i'm rcaridade and i buy Linux games. Gosh i even buy Windows games to play with Wine. I would like to support emulation developers also but money is limited. And i'm updating my pc when i come together with the money to play games on Linux.
Now on the topic of FM2019, i'm a huge F1 fan and even if F12018 comes along ,i own F1 2015 and F1 2017, i'm not going to buy it instantly. Still a lot of juice in the old games.

Quoting: theghostFor us German Steam users, the game wasn't available before.
Some region lock prohibited a sale of the game in Germany (probably some kind of license deal).
So I guess that's not a loss :D

But it is! The 2019 version will be the first officially availlable in Germany!
Unfortunately this will be one of the very few games I will purchase for Wine. It' s a must! The one and only decision based football simulation with an almost real life database...

I bought a Windows Phone smartphone back in 2015. I really liked that OS and didn't care about being developed by Microsoft. Windows Phone was at his peak, with a good set of apps (nothing like Android or iOS, but still) and a decent performance. Then, the company A stated that they will not release the next version of their app on WP. Ok. Some weeks later, Company B anounced the same. And the downfall of WP started, IIRC on late 2015.

I hope this isn't happening on Linux Gaming world, Rust abandoning Linux was a huge letdown, now Football Manager...two AAA games and I really like both. Thing is, since 2012 until this date we didn't had news like this, the number of AAA games was always increasing. I'm kinda worried because I've seen this before.

Quoting: MVinhasI bought a Windows Phone smartphone back in 2015. I really liked that OS and didn't care about being developed by Microsoft. Windows Phone was at his peak, with a good set of apps (nothing like Android or iOS, but still) and a decent performance. Then, the company A stated that they will not release the next version of their app on WP. Ok. Some weeks later, Company B anounced the same. And the downfall of WP started, IIRC on late 2015.

I hope this isn't happening on Linux Gaming world, Rust abandoning Linux was a huge letdown, now Football Manager...two AAA games and I really like both. Thing is, since 2012 until this date we didn't had news like this, the number of AAA games was always increasing. I'm kinda worried because I've seen this before.

Rust, according to one of the developers, is only a temporary situation due to Unity issues and driver bugs. Their situation can't really be compared with this, since they didn't directly remove support due to sales.

This isn't the first time we've had news like this and it hasn't really changed anything when it happened before. There's The Witcher 3, Darksiders 1 & 2, Carmageddon, Street Fighter, Project Cars and plenty of others. So yeah, it's happened before, will happen again and nothing's really changed overall in my opinion.

Quoting: LeopardPeople on Linux don't buy games

Well, my last credit card bill can prove you're wrong

Edit: I feel a lot of negative mood today..

Quoting: MVinhasI bought a Windows Phone smartphone back in 2015. I really liked that OS and didn't care about being developed by Microsoft. Windows Phone was at his peak, with a good set of apps (nothing like Android or iOS, but still) and a decent performance. Then, the company A stated that they will not release the next version of their app on WP. Ok. Some weeks later, Company B anounced the same. And the downfall of WP started, IIRC on late 2015.

I hope this isn't happening on Linux Gaming world, Rust abandoning Linux was a huge letdown, now Football Manager...two AAA games and I really like both. Thing is, since 2012 until this date we didn't had news like this, the number of AAA games was always increasing. I'm kinda worried because I've seen this before.

Lets get some perspective: We "lost" two AAA that didn't get a lot of audience in our platform and one of them was a complete disaster at QA (if we can say there was such thing on that project).

But this year we got Tomb Raider and before the end of the year we will get Life Is Strange 2 and Warhammer 2. Not to mention that we are getting the first Battle Royale like game for Linux in the upcoming weeks. Sometime it's all related on how you want to see things, so if you have a bad mood due that you were big fans of Rust & FM, you only have to feel bad for the latter, as the former will still get the Linux version (with null support as always).


Last edited by x_wing on 6 August 2018 at 3:08 pm UTC

Guys , i think i couldn't express myself enough.

Sure , we can say screw FM , it is the same game every year anyway. And i agree as a FM owner who last bought FM 2016 then said screw it.

But one least game means maybe one less newcomer. When people are hoping on Linux , normally they look at the native games available first.

Yes , i'm also started to spend much much more when i started using full time Linux. But appearently that is not enough despite our efforts.

Things is , we need another push in some way. Otherwise i'm afraid we will see many more series like that fading away. According to last response of Paradox ( covered here as an article ) they're the possible next publisher can do that.

I don't know also why you are so optimistic. We surely know , at a first glance maybe everyone can say " At least we're getting indies no matter what " but even situation on there is not bright. Because indie games we get are mostly from new people with their first game ever , thanks to Unity and Unreal's Linux support they also give us Linux builds. But most of them don't plan Linux for their next title. ( According to back2gaming interview )

In AAA terms , Feral is the last stronghold. And we're also not getting all games of theirs. Some of them are Mac only.

To sum it up ; until a new push about Linux gaming, that trend seems to be continued.

Quoting: FredOthe 47 very good looking games sitting at the top of my wishlist.

Are you me?

AHHRGGHHHH!

Typically the first version since ages officially released in Germany won't come to Linux. I was really looking out for it. :-(

As they obviously already ported their engine, it's hard to believe (at least for me) that it is that much effort to support at least Ubuntu/SteamOS. Maybe they also fear the user comments if not tested properly on a loot of Linux distros.

Quoting: madchaotikanAHHRGGHHHH!

Typically the first version since ages officially released in Germany won't come to Linux. I was really looking out for it. :-(

As they obviously already ported their engine, it's hard to believe (at least for me) that it is that much effort to support at least Ubuntu/SteamOS. Maybe they also fear the user comments if not tested properly on a loot of Linux distros.

Reason is probably they also need to hire / pay a Linux specific dev if anything occurs in support terms.

And this is the trouble with a small market...

Niche games won't always sell enough.

I'm a little sad personally, as I used to play footie management games back in the day, but I just don't have the time now and as much as I love that SI have supported Linux - I haven't purchased FM recently...

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: MVinhasI bought a Windows Phone smartphone back in 2015. I really liked that OS and didn't care about being developed by Microsoft. Windows Phone was at his peak, with a good set of apps (nothing like Android or iOS, but still) and a decent performance. Then, the company A stated that they will not release the next version of their app on WP. Ok. Some weeks later, Company B anounced the same. And the downfall of WP started, IIRC on late 2015.

I hope this isn't happening on Linux Gaming world, Rust abandoning Linux was a huge letdown, now Football Manager...two AAA games and I really like both. Thing is, since 2012 until this date we didn't had news like this, the number of AAA games was always increasing. I'm kinda worried because I've seen this before.

Rust, according to one of the developers, is only a temporary situation due to Unity issues and driver bugs. Their situation can't really be compared with this, since they didn't directly remove support due to sales.

This isn't the first time we've had news like this and it hasn't really changed anything when it happened before. There's The Witcher 3, Darksiders 1 & 2, Carmageddon, Street Fighter, Project Cars and plenty of others. So yeah, it's happened before, will happen again and nothing's really changed overall in my opinion.

There is one thing that separates Football Manager from those titles and many more AAA titles: day one Linux support, five years in a row. And this is always one of the most played games on Steam, probably in the top 10 most of the time.

FM2018 (and FM2017, for that matter) are more than enough if you want to keep Linux and play FM, but that doesn't mean it isn't a huge loss.

Quoting: LeopardGuys , i think i couldn't express myself enough.

Sure , we can say screw FM , it is the same game every year anyway. And i agree as a FM owner who last bought FM 2016 then said screw it.

But one least game means maybe one less newcomer. When people are hoping on Linux , normally they look at the native games available first.

Yes , i'm also started to spend much much more when i started using full time Linux. But appearently that is not enough despite our efforts.

Things is , we need another push in some way. Otherwise i'm afraid we will see many more series like that fading away. According to last response of Paradox ( covered here as an article ) they're the possible next publisher can do that.

I don't know also why you are so optimistic. We surely know , at a first glance maybe everyone can say " At least we're getting indies no matter what " but even situation on there is not bright. Because indie games we get are mostly from new people with their first game ever , thanks to Unity and Unreal's Linux support they also give us Linux builds. But most of them don't plan Linux for their next title. ( According to back2gaming interview )

In AAA terms , Feral is the last stronghold. And we're also not getting all games of theirs. Some of them are Mac only.

To sum it up ; until a new push about Linux gaming, that trend seems to be continued.

Sorry, you came here saying "People on Linux don't buy games", we prove you're wrong and now you come with this.

If you're afraid that we're losing momentum, I can tell you that I don't see such thing as I don't see that we're getting less games than previous years. In fact, the good news is that many games have improve a lot their Linux support (at least as a Mesa user I can say that). And no, don't think that the games we get are mostly made by amateurs. So, I would like that you explain me how this isolated cases affects Linux or, way more better, show me that the Linux gaming release trend for this year is lower than previous year.

The only thing we can, and should, be doing is to keep buying as much games we can and give the support and help to any new/old user that gets to our platform. Also, if your points is that we should improve the momentum of Linux desktop adoption (it is not all about games sometimes), then maybe there would be better that you take part on some political movement in your country in order to create antitrust laws that benefit Linux adoption (for instance, make mandatory selling PC/Notebooks without an OS installed and specifying how much the user pays for his Windows OEM license when buying one).


Last edited by x_wing on 6 August 2018 at 5:48 pm UTC