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"When was the last time you used Wine and/or Steam Play to play a Windows game?"

Either something like that, or two separate questions to differentiate between those who (like myself) pretty much only use the Proton version and only extremly rarely use Wine in the classical sense and those who only use the classical version as well as those who make regular use of both.

The Wine thing is still not particularly useful as it is. I now had to switch to "in the last month" because I tried both Fortnite and two games in SteamPlay Proton. But on a whole my Wine usage is still best described as "incidental" and hasn't really changed. Wouldn't it be better to have something that shows how often you have used it in recent history? Maybe "Have you used Wine or Steam Play/Proton to play Windows games much in the past six months?", with options such as: never, sometimes, regularly, daily.

Still no way to enter multi-GPU setups. What about a button called something like "Add GPU" which gives us another row like "GPU-2 model"?

In the last month I went from Intel+Nvidia to AMD+Nvidia, then I got RX 580 which I returned because it was too expensive, then the Nvidia I had died on me yesterday and last night found a Vega 56 for the same price I had originally bought the RX 580 just a week earlier haha. What a month! Finally on the AMD only team though :D

Quoting: EhvisThe Wine thing is still not particularly useful as it is. I now had to switch to "in the last month" because I tried both Fortnite and two games in SteamPlay Proton. But on a whole my Wine usage is still best described as "incidental" and hasn't really changed. Wouldn't it be better to have something that shows how often you have used it in recent history? Maybe "Have you used Wine or Steam Play/Proton to play Windows games much in the past six months?", with options such as: never, sometimes, regularly, daily.

This is actually a nice idea :)

That's great. :)

Happy AMD user here.
Last Nvidia card was a 6600 GT.
Never looked back.

Could it be relevant to add something about Proton in the survey? Or is Wine considered the same? Just a question.

Quoting: MohandevirCould it be relevant to add something about Proton in the survey? Or is Wine considered the same? Just a question.

That's what we're asking:

QuoteWe are looking to adjust the Wine question and add in a Steam Play/Proton question - opinions welcome on that.

;)


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 28 August 2018 at 1:10 pm UTC

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: MohandevirCould it be relevant to add something about Proton in the survey? Or is Wine considered the same? Just a question.

That's what we're asking:

QuoteWe are looking to adjust the Wine question and add in a Steam Play/Proton question - opinions welcome on that.

;)

Oh! Sorry! My bad! Missed the last line! I was reading diagonnally. Doh! :D

Edit: My proposition:

Do you use:
[check box] Wine
[check box] SteamPlay
[check box] Both
[check box] None

This way, you will be able to compile the results of each answers. This said I like Ehvis' proposition about the usage frequency, but it might make things complicated with my proposition and I'm not the one who's programming the survey, so... :)

Edit 2: You might also decide that SteamPlay is a Steam feature that should not appear in the survey (just like BPM desktop doesn't appear in the DE question) and keep the Wine questions for Wine only. Still I would modify it with Ehvis' frequency proposition.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 28 August 2018 at 2:08 pm UTC

Since Proton is so closely related to Wine, why not just rephrase the question from "Wine" to "Wine / Steam Play"?

I think Wine and Proton should be separate questions.

I don't think having a steam-dedicated question is a good idea. Better merging it with the existing wine question, changing the wording so it's clear that steam-play and wine are, for the purpose of the survey, the same thing. That way, if (for example) gog start wrapping games in wine (do they do this already?), there won't be an argument for adding another "do you use..." question.

Basically, I think it's better to have one question regarding wine-based play, than potentially dozens.


Last edited by WorMzy on 28 August 2018 at 2:13 pm UTC

Quoting: WorMzyI don't think having a steam-dedicated question is a good idea. Better merging it with the existing wine question, changing the wording so it's clear that steam-play and wine are, for the purpose of the survey, the same thing. That way, if (for example) gog start wrapping games in wine (do they do this already?), there won't be an argument for adding another "do you use..." question.

Basically, I think it's better to have one question regarding wine-based play, than potentially dozens.

Thing is, you might get an irrelevant sample if 90% of steam users use SteamPlay (which shouldn't be surprising though). It will send a completely wrong portrait of the wine (as in not SteamPlay) overall usage and make the question pointless. But who knows, maybe not.

Edit: Also, I think it might be insulting for those that work hard, trying to make a game work with Wine+DXVK and all that stuff, to be amalagamated with the lazy of us (I'm one of them) that use SteamPlay. :D


Last edited by Mohandevir on 28 August 2018 at 5:46 pm UTC

Quoting: WorMzy...That way, if (for example) gog start wrapping games in wine (do they do this already?), there won't be an argument for adding another "do you use..." question.

Basically, I think it's better to have one question regarding wine-based play, than potentially dozens.

They do with Flatout 1 and 2.

I think I'd like a separate Wine and SteamPlay question. I wonder if it's even worth capturing (purely out of curiousity) a distinction between "playing Windows games through Wine" and "playing official Windows games seamlessly".

Like, if you don't tick the "Use Proton for all titles" box in the Steam beta, you can only actually download and play the officially supported, whitelisted titles. At that point, it doesn't feel like "using wine". It feels like just installing and playing an officially supported title, that happens to not have a SteamOS logo on its sales page (although I imagine that will come, if Proton proves successful and reliable enough).

So...
Do you use Wine (Wine, Proton, or DXVK)?
Do you play official Windows games using SteamPlay?

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Quoting: tonRDesktop Environment: GNOME
(but if I want to use Libreoffice or GIMP, I will switch to Unity. Really hate the notification bar above)

You mean the task bar on top? Isn't there an extension to move it elsewhere?

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That's great. :)

Happy AMD user here.
Last Nvidia card was a 6600 GT.
Never looked back.

Just giving my 2 cents on this matter:

As some may already know, Nvidia, while aggressive (in every possible way), does NOT wish to open their source code for their drivers unlike AMD who does. However, AMD does offer closed source packages to Ubuntu via .deb packages to support their products via the AMDPRO (or w/e it's called) driver.

I've heard that the AMD drivers exchange blows in a few games but overall the open source driver works great. This will likely move on to improve as (or if) Vulkan gets adopted.

I'm not defending Nvidia but the option is available for those who don't fully embrace the open source philosophy.


ps: gratz and enjoy the AMD cards, they last til the pcb rots ;)

Quoting: GustyGhost

Quoting: tonRDesktop Environment: GNOME
(but if I want to use Libreoffice or GIMP, I will switch to Unity. Really hate the notification bar above)

You mean the task bar on top? Isn't there an extension to move it elsewhere?

Yes, I'd seen severals on extensions.gnome.org. But, I research severals forums especially Ubuntu-related one, sometimes the extension may break the whole OS. I really don't want to take the risk.

Nowadays, I'm value stability. I'd no longer have enough free time to fix my computers like when I was 12-19/20, that's why I use Ubuntu. But, even Ubuntu also sometimes unstable nowadays, I don't know which distros I'll adopt next...

Regarding the pine/proton question I also think it should be a check box for both and/or none. I used wine before, some of my prefixed are now covered by proton, others work perfectly in wine (e.g. wine stable) but not in proton... so for me I'm using both and I'm using them separately.