Valve officially confirm a new version of 'Steam Play' which includes a modified version of Wine

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Quoting: GuestHow is Tekken 7 running for you guys? For me it has pretty bad performance which is a shame for a fighting game, sits around 40-50fps most of the time, and I don't think I'm hardware bound because gpu and cpu usage still seem low and lowering settings does nothing either

Funny enough though, Killer Instinct (Which I think is a better fighting game anyway) fully works maxed out at 1080p using Proton, and its not even on the short list of games they're providing support for like Tekken 7 is.. And even more so, it's published by Microsoft and no doubt VERY heavily built on DirectX

Yet Tekken 7 uses Unreal Engine 4, also tried Snake Pass another UE4 game and performance seemed worse then last time I tried it using Lutris+DXVK and Wine, same goes for Grip which also ran fine using standard wine and DXVK... Yet on Proton it literally was going down to 6fps in-game

Seem to be having some bad luck with UE4 games so far, which I find surprising

Edit: Tested various other games as well, including Super Bomberman R (which seems to work flawlessly from the short time I spent on it).. Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy sadly crashes after I press A on the "Press A to continue" screen, Quake Champions crashes straight after the initial screen, Resident Evil REmake just shows black screen (expected this one due to lack of WMP9 which is required in winetricks for it to work properly)... Duck Game doesn't load and just insta-crashes (again expected, as Duck Game requires XNA which can be installed using winetricks in normal wine)

Plan on doing alot more testing.. But more importantly I hope mrdeathdj is doing some testing of his own xD

Hi

I try testing tekken 7 but is so expensive* (dont have enough money)

*Normally bandai namco - tecmo koei is expensive games

^_^

Yes and I didn't want to buy it as well for the fact it used denuvo and was cracked in 24 hours, the director of Tekken 7 even said some performance problems for windows users were due to issues with some of the anti-tamper they were using, I don't think the specific tweet mentioned denuvo and could be more in-house but generally didn't sit too well with me... Plus the fact I actually tried Tekken 7 anyway and lol tbh it's not overly that good of a tekken game in my opinion, arcade mode is utter crap, that "rage mode" thing is utter crap

But eh, I'm a big fighting game fan and sadly linux has no triple A fighting games, I was gritting my teeth buying Tekken 7 yesturday but with it being on the list of games I really wanted my tekken fix lol, but playing a fighting game under 60fps is just not a fun experience for me

I'll be sticking with Killer Instinct for now, Valve need to add that game to their list because it already works perfectly fine using Steamplay, as do quite alot of other unlisted games from what a few steam friends have said :)

From what I understand as well, Valve did say people who are into open source projects can upload their own versions of proton? so in the long-term we'll have a lot of custom-settings for various different games to make them run right

I'll be testing Dead Rising 2 next, I noticed you've already tested that game but for me the performance was too heavy, not just that the FPS was very low but very inconsistent and jumping around causing a lot of stuttering

After Dead Rising 2 I'll probably test street fighter IV next.

I'm making a big wall of text now but I'm overwhelmed with this news from Valve, their efforts towards linux gaming is exciting ^^

Yeah dead rising 2 works on steam play however this game needs csmt and very high single thread



In my case use PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 %command% for most games, in my case esync dont affect because my cpu have a few cores without forget is monolothic cpu compared with modular cpus case ryzen

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Tekken 7 is on the Steamplay whitelist and it doesn't launch with Proton...Valve should verify his Whitelist before to publish it.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/278

Quoting: legluondunetTekken 7 is on the Steamplay whitelist and it doesn't launch with Proton...Valve should verify his Whitelist before to publish it.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/278

I suppose this is going to be a pretty big problem for the Proton future. Wine has always been pretty sensitive to details, so even though stuff works on one machine gives no guarantee for the rest.

Even updating Wine may break stuff that was whitelisted earlier. This may prove to be quite a bit of work.


Last edited by Ehvis on 24 August 2018 at 8:50 pm UTC

Quoting: legluondunetTekken 7 is on the Steamplay whitelist and it doesn't launch with Proton...Valve should verify his Whitelist before to publish it.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/278

That's why it's only available in the beta client. They're still figuring this out.

I just played an evening GTA5 with Steam play, knowing that the 30 euros will be recognized as Linux purchase. GTA5 runs perfectly well on my machine, all settings maxed out. Magic times...

PS: I took me an evening too to get it to run. The launcher has some problems with fonts due to missing corefonts, but the biggest issue were startup crashes. Fortunately I found https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/37#issuecomment-415833819 which was exactly my solution.

PPS: I don't care at all about multiplayer/online, haven't tried that. I'm only in for the single player story, which seems exactly my taste from what I have seen.


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Quoting: PieOrCakeCrysis 2 Maximum Edition: Some intial mucking about with resolution and windowed/fullscreen, but got it working well.

How did Crysis launched for you? I can't even see any signs of it launched except the words saying launching on steam and then again I can press play.

It takes 5-6 seconds to launch, and then pops up a dialog saying something about not recognising my graphics card. I click "OK", and the game runs.

I'm not sure if anyone has said this yet, but the original Borderlands seems to work great.

Quoting: jarhead_hRWBY: Grim Eclipse(installs, boots, runs, doesn't display character models in game making it unplayable)

Have you tried forcing DX9 ?

-force-d3d9 - just pass it as a run parameter.

Quoting: legluondunetTekken 7 is on the Steamplay whitelist and it doesn't launch with Proton...Valve should verify his Whitelist before to publish it.
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/278

Being on the whitelist it doesn't mean it's bug free. Luckily I'd say (or there would be less job for us devs in general).


It simply means it is supported. You open a ticket to valve and they will surely look in to it. With games that are not in the whitelist instead they take no accountability: if they help it's good for you, if they don't you have deal with it since they never made promises (which doesn't mean they don't care, just they can't help if you on your own decided to spend money on it and in the end it doesn't work).

QuoteWindows games with no Linux version currently available can now be installed and run directly from the Linux Steam client, complete with native Steamworks and OpenVR support.

So how does this work?

Is it in reference to Microsoft Windows-based games bought through Steam, or can I run any old .exe file and Steam will setup it up via WINE for me?

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QuoteWindows games with no Linux version currently available can now be installed and run directly from the Linux Steam client, complete with native Steamworks and OpenVR support.

So how does this work?

Is it in reference to Microsoft Windows-based games bought through Steam, or can I run any old .exe file and Steam will setup it up via WINE for me?

Bought through Steam. As I understand it, if you just have some program from elsewhere you still have to run Wine the old fashioned way. People have been speculating how one might get around that but I don't know if anyone's come up with anything.

Any idea when they plan to roll this out in the stable/regular version of the Steam client?

Valve did a really clever move here to force game developers into cross platform development. Publishers will now have to make sure that their games run on all platforms Steam supports, no matter if they intend it to run there or not since the games were made available everywhere. Even though players get a notice when starting a game via proton I guess quite a few will still down vote a game that doesn't run on Linux or OSX, so the Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

I guess the third option is the best choice.

Quoting: WendigoValve did a really clever move here to force game developers into cross platform development. Publishers will now have to make sure that their games run on all platforms Steam supports, no matter if they intend it to run there or not since the games were made available everywhere. Even though players get a notice when starting a game via proton I guess quite a few will still down vote a game that doesn't run on Linux or OSX, so the Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

I guess the third option is the best choice.

While proton does support macOS, steam play does not so currently you can only use proton on Linux unless you manually build it yourself. It was in their announcement.

Quoting: Wendigothe Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

4) Demand Valve remove their game from Steam Play, or from Steam altogether if that is not an option, so they don't have to deal with the unwanted support requests and bad press.

Quoting: WendigoValve did a really clever move here to force game developers into cross platform development. Publishers will now have to make sure that their games run on all platforms Steam supports, no matter if they intend it to run there or not since the games were made available everywhere. Even though players get a notice when starting a game via proton I guess quite a few will still down vote a game that doesn't run on Linux or OSX, so the Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

I guess the third option is the best choice.

So you think that a good way to encourage publishers and developers to support our platform is to file nonsensical negative reviews of their products for which they do not offer any kind of Linux support?

We already had these image issues when people jumped the gun on Witcher 2 and then proceeded to make the same mistakes again when Rust port got pulled. Being loud and obnoxious is hardly a way to make our market appealing to anyone. If I made a game and started getting negative reviews from people I am not even selling my product to, I'd frankly be pissed and I might consider not ever supporting said platform in any way, potentially even to a point of trying to detect when the game is being run on an unsupported platform in order to display a big "NOPE" message for anyone attempting it.

Quoting: GuestI fixed the issues I was having in Witcher 3. I was using the 390.77 Nvidia drivers. I installed the 396.54 drivers and now everything looks as it should. I'm kinda thinking about playing through it again. I've been wanting to the last couple months.

Wait a bit more, until transform feedback will land into official Vulkan spec and drivers and dxvk will start using it. Then it should be perfect. I suppose it won't take long for radv and Nvidia to pick it up.


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They didn't provide any ETA really. It was marked as "resolving inside Khronos" recently.

According to @YoRHa-2B who is developing dxvk and probably tested the prototype, it can take several months still.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 August 2018 at 10:25 pm UTC

Quoting: WendigoValve did a really clever move here to force game developers into cross platform development. Publishers will now have to make sure that their games run on all platforms Steam supports, no matter if they intend it to run there or not since the games were made available everywhere. Even though players get a notice when starting a game via proton I guess quite a few will still down vote a game that doesn't run on Linux or OSX, so the Publishers have 3 choices:

1) Do nothing and get a bad rating that affects their future sales of the game.
2) Make sure their game runs with Proton on all operating systems that Steam supports and hope that a future change in Proton doesn't break the game.
3) Do a proper cross platform port or develop future games with cross platform in mind and have control over the game's performance on Linux and OSX.

I guess the third option is the best choice.

that sounds like a dick move from valve

I think given how many games out there, the spread of potential negative reviews of games that don't get on board with compatability would be thinned out so much as to have little impact. I wouldn't worry about that very much, and I doubt Valve has that as part of their strategy.

I do think having more accurate numbers of people actually using Linux as a gaming platform, which is bound to be quite a bit higher than what's currently being reported, will be a pretty good motivator to get companies more friendly to things like Vulkan.