The amazingly useful SC Controller [GitHub] project, a third-party open source driver and user interface for the Steam Controller has a new release out. Sadly, the last for a while.
Here's what's new in 0.4.5:
- On-screen keyboard can be now used with DS4 gamepad
- Improved editing profile using controller
- Allowed SVG custom menu icons
- Allowed displaying multiple OSD messages, with different font size and display time
- Bug fixes
In the release notes, the developer Kozec said this:
This is last SC-Controller release for a while. With all that mess happening around Linux this week, I've decided to move away as far as possible. I plan to finish all "enhancements" eventually, just not right now.
They went into further detail in a Patreon post, here's the gist of it:
As you probably already heard, earlier this week, Linux became part of political movement. It's movement that I strongly disagree with and wish to not be associated with in any way. Because of that, I don't feel welcomed in Linux community anymore.
Or, to write it like human being, with all this mess, coding is not fun at all.
So I'm throwing hands up and walking through the middle.
For those who don't really understand, it's likely as a result of the new Code of Conduct for the Linux Kernel. Something that has become a hot sticky mess in the wider community. Regardless of my own feelings about the CoC, I just hope people can find a way to get along and treat everyone with respect, regardless of who they are and where they come from.
I'm pretty sad about this, I use SC Controller practically every day for taming the Steam Controller outside of Steam and for those Steam games that don't detect it normally.
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I already did.Address this: https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504
So Sharp is stirring up controversy over Tso and here you are stirring up controversy over Sharp.
Lets cut to the chase, and not make this about Tso, Sharp or anyone else. Here's a thought experiment: would you rather have the Linux kernel built by despicable people, and stick your head in the sand about them, or would you rather have a bit of accountability, and possibly have the kernel suffer as a result?
Personally, I'm in the latter camp. I try not to stick my head in the sand about anything. People should hold Apple and Samsung accountable for Chinese worker suicide rates at Foxconn. People should boycott Starbucks and Amazon in the UK because they offshore their taxes. And people should have the opportunity to address despicable behaviour in those contributing to the kernel.
To be clear - "address", not "insta-ban". It's a process.
Here, is a little something that might blow your mind: I do not care. I do not care about a contributors sexuality, religion or political affiliation. If their contributions make Linux a better kernel, they should be allowed to contribute. That is how it should be. Instead we now have these neon haired puritans conducting witch hunts for things people posted SEVEN years ago. Shame on you for trying to justify this.
I must have missed there news - a CoC got introduced and people are now witch hunting to have people not be able to contribute to the Linux kernel? I sure can't find that happening, but perhaps you can provide links.
Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
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FreeBSD = only one distribution out of manySo sorry hate to break it to you but from where I am they are doing better than ever...
Then you're in la-la land. FreeBSD is falling like a rock, and it'll drag everything based off of it down with it.
BSD community = all distributions lumped together.
I dunno in the US (or elswhere than in my home country) and I don't wanna know about those outside countries current state of affairs. As far as "BSD overarching families" in France (so my home country) once again the community has never been more active and more valued and asked about and never receive that much outside attention. So again from where I'm sitting they're doing better than ever.
So again keep your paranoïa to yourself.
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Hell, come to think, of it ESR and RMS would both be abused under a COC like this.
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Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
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Imagine believing that a text file somehow gives more power to the maintainers that already have all the power and that its somehow a conspiracy by the ESSS YEY DOBLEUUUs in the year 2018
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It could also make it more difficult to exclude contributors in practice. Before, maintainers could do as they saw fit (within reason), while now they are required to adhere to a common code of conduct. In any case, this document officially gives them the right to potentially remove disruptive contributors but it doesn't force them to do so.Pro CoC wants to change the norms around abusive behaviour and language in the kernel dev community (which goes right up to Torvalds). Con CoC is worried this empowers moderators to exclude developers who don't share their ideological views. The former goal is laudible, and the latter concern is justified (eg Johnathan Haidt's work on academia).This CoC simply codifies the powers Linux maintainers have had all along. The "Con CoC" crowd seem to have trouble understanding this basic fact. Could be because they'd rather just keep fighting the scary SJW cabal that keeps taking away their toys.
That may be true; indeed my own bias is that it simply reflects changes happening within the community and has effect beyond a signal of change. However, it may also be true that, as Con worries, that the act of codifying it increases the ability of moderators to exclude contributors in practice (much easier to do so when there's an official document you can use to justify your actions)
Can't say. I'm not in the habit of forming knee-jerk opinions based on quotes and snippets. I do believe in taking responsibility for your words and actions though, and if people in the kernel community do not feel comfortable working with him, I guess they have the right to say so. Also, you'd think that if someone wrote something years ago that they don't agree with anymore, they could easily correct this situation by saying so. However, if their opinion hasn't changed, your point about the time span is meaningless.Oh? The Linux maintainer's were wont to harass people for stats they posted on social media? More than half a decade ago at that? This "everything is ok" and "this is not a big deal" crap rings hollow. People ARE leaving Linux over this.That controversy was already ongoing before the CoC was implemented. Cause does not follow effect.
Do YOU think he should be drummed out of contributing for what he posted seven years ago. Yes or no.
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I’d rather have people not fear trying to contribute to Linux.
People who have the wrong opinion now have to fear contributing. ESR would be drummed out of kernel development over this COC.
I'm sorry, but what substantial contribution has ESR made to kernel development? The only one I recall was rejected for being technically inept, long before a COC existed. Holding up ESR as a beacon does not help your argument.
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Imagine believing that a text file somehow gives more power to the maintainers that already have all the power and that its somehow a conspiracy by the ESSS YEY DOBLEUUUs in the year 2018This just this just fucking this. As a bisexual non binary person I often hear a ton of unsavory things being thrown around. And having a tiny sheet of paper that literally doesn't do more than just say "could we not please , can we for once just not throw that kind of garbage talk around and dehumanize each others" somehow is too much ?
Sorry but no time and again I have seen that we need a CoC.
On the other hand boy oh boy is the one adopted by the Linux foundation vague as all fuck and exploitable as all hell. That on the other hand is really true. But we are tech minded people sooo raise your hands those who managed to shit out a program that worked on first try ? .... I thought as much ...
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Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
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Imagine believing that a text file somehow gives more power to the maintainers that already have all the power and that its somehow a conspiracy by the ESSS YEY DOBLEUUUs in the year 2018This just this just fucking this. As a bisexual non binary person I often hear a ton of unsavory things being thrown around. And having a tiny sheet of paper that literally doesn't do more than just say "could we not please , can we for once just not throw that kind of garbage talk around and dehumanize each others" somehow is too much ?
Sorry but no time and again I have seen that we need a CoC.
On the other hand boy oh boy is the one adopted by the Linux foundation vague as all fuck and exploitable as all hell. That on the other hand is really true. But we are tech minded people sooo raise your hands those who managed to shit out a program that worked on first try ? .... I thought as much ...
Don't confuse 'power' with 'influence'. And this CoC was designed to be abused.
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Look mate I have read every single one of your responses in that comment section and maybe it ain't your intention but right now this what you made yourself sound like wether you like it or not :Imagine believing that a text file somehow gives more power to the maintainers that already have all the power and that its somehow a conspiracy by the ESSS YEY DOBLEUUUs in the year 2018This just this just fucking this. As a bisexual non binary person I often hear a ton of unsavory things being thrown around. And having a tiny sheet of paper that literally doesn't do more than just say "could we not please , can we for once just not throw that kind of garbage talk around and dehumanize each others" somehow is too much ?
Sorry but no time and again I have seen that we need a CoC.
On the other hand boy oh boy is the one adopted by the Linux foundation vague as all fuck and exploitable as all hell. That on the other hand is really true. But we are tech minded people sooo raise your hands those who managed to shit out a program that worked on first try ? .... I thought as much ...
Don't confuse 'power' with 'influence'. And this CoC was designed to be abused.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXD3X_HU0AAwrYo.jpg
Cute. And I bet Liam is just going to let that slide too. But it's amusing that you go right to calling me a Nazi just because I point out that this CoC isn't just about "being nice".
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Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
I'm stating that you were factually wrong. Your attempts to side track from that by introducing your own personal vendetta against someone only weaken your position further.
And make you exactly what you're blaming others of being.
Personal vendetta? I've never interacted with this person. And I'm not citing any rules they've broken to get them into hot water. I DO, however, see them doing REAL harm to people making real contributions to Linux. And pardon me for not wanting Linux to end up like FreeBSD. In a death spiral.
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Except that the picture I have chosen is a picture of a very specific fictional character that represents the :Look mate I have read every single one of your responses in that comment section and maybe it ain't your intention but right now this what you made yourself sound like wether you like it or not :Imagine believing that a text file somehow gives more power to the maintainers that already have all the power and that its somehow a conspiracy by the ESSS YEY DOBLEUUUs in the year 2018This just this just fucking this. As a bisexual non binary person I often hear a ton of unsavory things being thrown around. And having a tiny sheet of paper that literally doesn't do more than just say "could we not please , can we for once just not throw that kind of garbage talk around and dehumanize each others" somehow is too much ?
Sorry but no time and again I have seen that we need a CoC.
On the other hand boy oh boy is the one adopted by the Linux foundation vague as all fuck and exploitable as all hell. That on the other hand is really true. But we are tech minded people sooo raise your hands those who managed to shit out a program that worked on first try ? .... I thought as much ...
Don't confuse 'power' with 'influence'. And this CoC was designed to be abused.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXD3X_HU0AAwrYo.jpg
Cute. And I bet Liam is just going to let that slide too. But it's amusing that you go right to calling me a Nazi just because I point out that this CoC isn't just about "being nice".
"disingenuous troll playing devil's advocate that ends up making himself sound like a nazi because he doesn't know the bloody difference" .
In other words you come across as having an irrational fear that probaly feels legitimate to you but you're going about it in such a disingenuous way that yes you sound borderline Maurician ...
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So this is what the GoL community is? People that will accuse you of being a Nazi (or what passes for one these days) for not going along with what they are pushing politically? Well, if that's the way you want it...
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Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
I'm stating that you were factually wrong. Your attempts to side track from that by introducing your own personal vendetta against someone only weaken your position further.
And make you exactly what you're blaming others of being.
Personal vendetta? I've never interacted with this person. And I'm not citing any rules they've broken to get them into hot water. I DO, however, see them doing REAL harm to people making real contributions to Linux. And pardon me for not wanting Linux to end up like FreeBSD. In a death spiral.
Your language about them has been less than friendly. About someone you've never met. Who has done nothing you've described. To try validate some viewpoint that is not the current situation, and is highly unlikely to be.
And? So I'm not nice? That doesn't make me a nazi. It doesn't make me a bigot. I never even commented on anything of that nature. But out came THAT accusation. Kinda fascistic behavior there.
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So this is what the GoL community is? People that will accuse you of being a Nazi (or what passes for one these days) for not going along with what they are pushing politically. Well, if that's the way you want it...No, see, that person has a name, and it's not "the GOL community". If you feel they're not adhering to GOL's rules, you can always report them. That's how this works.
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Again we're not saying you are a facist but look maybe using a shaekspirian quote will suit you better ...Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
I'm stating that you were factually wrong. Your attempts to side track from that by introducing your own personal vendetta against someone only weaken your position further.
And make you exactly what you're blaming others of being.
Personal vendetta? I've never interacted with this person. And I'm not citing any rules they've broken to get them into hot water. I DO, however, see them doing REAL harm to people making real contributions to Linux. And pardon me for not wanting Linux to end up like FreeBSD. In a death spiral.
Your language about them has been less than friendly. About someone you've never met. Who has done nothing you've described. To try validate some viewpoint that is not the current situation, and is highly unlikely to be.
And? So I'm not nice? That doesn't make me a nazi. It doesn't make me a bigot. I never even commented on anything of that nature. But out came THAT accusation. Kinda fascistic behavior there.
"The lady DOTH protest too much"
In other words right now you're so heated and your choice of words is so poor that indeed you make yourself SOUND like a facist indeed.
So maybe take a break go breathe outside and come back to us once you're able to articulate your point of view in a detailed manner that doesn't leave any room for ambiguity at all ...
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So this is what the GoL community is? People that will accuse you of being a Nazi (or what passes for one these days) for not going along with what they are pushing politically. Well, if that's the way you want it...No, see, that person has a name, and it's not "the GOL community". If you feel they're not adhering to GOL's rules, you can always report them. That's how this works.
Is accusing someone of a crime (which being a nazi is where I live) against the rules?
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Again we're not saying you are a facist but look maybe using a shaekspirian quote will suit you better ...Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
I'm stating that you were factually wrong. Your attempts to side track from that by introducing your own personal vendetta against someone only weaken your position further.
And make you exactly what you're blaming others of being.
Personal vendetta? I've never interacted with this person. And I'm not citing any rules they've broken to get them into hot water. I DO, however, see them doing REAL harm to people making real contributions to Linux. And pardon me for not wanting Linux to end up like FreeBSD. In a death spiral.
Your language about them has been less than friendly. About someone you've never met. Who has done nothing you've described. To try validate some viewpoint that is not the current situation, and is highly unlikely to be.
And? So I'm not nice? That doesn't make me a nazi. It doesn't make me a bigot. I never even commented on anything of that nature. But out came THAT accusation. Kinda fascistic behavior there.
"The lady DOTH protest too much"
In other words right now you're so heated and your choice of words is so poor that indeed you make yourself SOUND like a facist indeed.
So maybe take a break go breathe outside and come back to us once you're able to articulate your point of view in a detailed manner that doesn't leave any room for ambiguity at all ...
Ah, so you're accusing me without actually accusing me. "I'm not saying he beats his wife, but...".
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You just demonstrated my point with that reply alone...Again we're not saying you are a facist but look maybe using a shaekspirian quote will suit you better ...Where? I'm not seeing it. Are you referring to twitter, where there's no call to have someone removed? I see an example about what to do with reporting CoC violations, and actually someone who is trying to say that the CoC is not proper in the current form (precisely because it lacks clear guidelines about what do when the people you should report it to, are the ones you believe are violating it).
If you're referring to something else, can you please point me to it? Again, I'm not seeing anyone actually call for someone to be stopped from contributing.
Posting accurate stats on different types of sexual abuse SEVEN years ago is a COC violation, is it?
I'm sorry, you appear to be reading something other than what I wrote. Allow me to be more clear: you stated that there were now witch hunts to have people removed from contributing to the kernel, because they could now use the CoC for that purpose.
I'm saying they are not. I believe you are referring to something on twitter, and the link I believe you are referring to was a discussion (though it doesn't seem to be quite that polite) about the CoC being improper. No calls to have anyone stopped from contributing were actually in there, so...no witch hunt in that link.
Did you read the posts, it's sounding like you didn't.
And see here I'm not the only one telling to you :
So this is what the GoL community is? People that will accuse you of being a Nazi (or what passes for one these days) for not going along with what they are pushing politically. Well, if that's the way you want it...
Incorrect. I've been asking you to back up your statements. Believe me, I would not equate you to a Nazi (unsure of the reference - I presume some picture implied that?) and would encourage people to avoid saying that.
I am disagreeing with you, and trying to be polite about it. You're making broad statements where evidence suggests otherwise. Try calming down, then reply in a more reasoned tone. Absolutely no reason we can't be civil here while disagreeing.
I'm asking you to provide the link where it does show that someone is now being asked to "go away" and using the CoC to back that up.
Nope. The Twitter post is a former kernel maintainer (who still has connections with current maintainers) pointing out something a contributor posted seven years ago about rape statistics. And it's very interesting when you look at what Theo Ts'o works on. Drumming him out opens the door to Intel to get their hardware based randomization into the kernel, which will all but certainly be a back door.
So...no witch hunt then? No asking to have anyone stopped from contributing? Because that's exactly what you said was happening. And if it's not, then it kind of doesn't do much to backup anything else you're saying. You see, I read that twitter as someone using a personal example to showcase a problem with the CoC. Obviously there's bad blood in there, but it doesn't alter the main point. And whether you're trying to now go after that someone is also irrelevant: the point is that there are no calls to have anyone blocked.
I must admit, it actually looks like you are on a personal witch hunt. I am not suggesting you are doing so intentionally, only that it has such an appearance. I do, however, suggest you provide proper backup information to further contribute to this conversation, or else you will not get any points you're trying to make be taken seriously.
Did you not read the green hair's posts? If you did and you're saying this, you're being disingenuous.
I'm stating that you were factually wrong. Your attempts to side track from that by introducing your own personal vendetta against someone only weaken your position further.
And make you exactly what you're blaming others of being.
Personal vendetta? I've never interacted with this person. And I'm not citing any rules they've broken to get them into hot water. I DO, however, see them doing REAL harm to people making real contributions to Linux. And pardon me for not wanting Linux to end up like FreeBSD. In a death spiral.
Your language about them has been less than friendly. About someone you've never met. Who has done nothing you've described. To try validate some viewpoint that is not the current situation, and is highly unlikely to be.
And? So I'm not nice? That doesn't make me a nazi. It doesn't make me a bigot. I never even commented on anything of that nature. But out came THAT accusation. Kinda fascistic behavior there.
"The lady DOTH protest too much"
In other words right now you're so heated and your choice of words is so poor that indeed you make yourself SOUND like a facist indeed.
So maybe take a break go breathe outside and come back to us once you're able to articulate your point of view in a detailed manner that doesn't leave any room for ambiguity at all ...
Ah, so you're accusing me without actually accusing me. "I'm not saying he beats his wife, but...".
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