Wine 3.19 is out with improved 32bit .NET on 64bit and plenty of fixes

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Quoting: ShmerlThe last remaining milestone for it now is Mesa landing transform feedback patches.

And for a wealthy few, inclusion in the 410 drivers. :D

I would guess that those* few, including me, have to wait for a new short-term drivers version to appear. The 410 driver is a long term driver replacing the 390 series. I don't think that this (410) version will receive such a big feature update. But you never know ;)

* should it be "these" instead of "those" in proper English?

No, I don't think so. The "including me" bit sort of introduces a context shift, new information--up to that point you're still talking as if third person. If you wanted to convey that information without the "including me", you'd say "we few", as in "we happy few". Very Shakespearian.

"These" wouldn't really apply whichever way. The difference between "these" and "those" is subtle, having to do with, ah, immediacy more than anything else ("these" being the ones in front of me, as opposed to "those" over there across the room), but they're both third person. "Those of us" is a weird exception, but it only works in certain formations . . . "Those of us who (bla bla)" and like that.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 27 October 2018 at 8:23 pm UTC

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: jens

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: ShmerlThe last remaining milestone for it now is Mesa landing transform feedback patches.

And for a wealthy few, inclusion in the 410 drivers. :D

I would guess that those* few, including me, have to wait for a new short-term drivers version to appear. The 410 driver is a long term driver replacing the 390 series. I don't think that this (410) version will receive such a big feature update. But you never know ;)

* should it be "these" instead of "those" in proper English?

No, I don't think so. The "including me" bit sort of introduces a context shift, new information--up to that point you're still talking as if third person. If you wanted to convey that information without the "including me", you'd say "we few", as in "we happy few". Very Shakespearian.

"These" wouldn't really apply whichever way. The difference between "these" and "those" is subtle, having to do with, ah, immediacy more than anything else ("these" being the ones in front of me, as opposed to "those" over there across the room), but they're both third person. "Those of us" is a weird exception, but it only works in certain formations . . . "Those of us who (bla bla)" and like that.

Thanks a lot too, that should really help to remember the differences in the future.

PS: I really like reading your posts. Please keep your wordiness :). I'm really glad to see that there are still lots of people that can tell a coherent story with more than 140 characters.


Last edited by jens on 28 October 2018 at 6:18 pm UTC

Quoting: jens

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: jens

Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: ShmerlThe last remaining milestone for it now is Mesa landing transform feedback patches.

And for a wealthy few, inclusion in the 410 drivers. :D

I would guess that those* few, including me, have to wait for a new short-term drivers version to appear. The 410 driver is a long term driver replacing the 390 series. I don't think that this (410) version will receive such a big feature update. But you never know ;)

* should it be "these" instead of "those" in proper English?

No, I don't think so. The "including me" bit sort of introduces a context shift, new information--up to that point you're still talking as if third person. If you wanted to convey that information without the "including me", you'd say "we few", as in "we happy few". Very Shakespearian.

"These" wouldn't really apply whichever way. The difference between "these" and "those" is subtle, having to do with, ah, immediacy more than anything else ("these" being the ones in front of me, as opposed to "those" over there across the room), but they're both third person. "Those of us" is a weird exception, but it only works in certain formations . . . "Those of us who (bla bla)" and like that.

Thanks a lot too, that should really help to remember the differences in the future.

PS: I really like reading your posts. Please keep you wordiness :). I'm really glad to see that there are still lots of people that can tell a coherent story with more than 140 characters.

Well, thank you very much.
I remember being flabbergasted when Twitter first came out and was popular, and I was like, "But I have email, and it already lets me use as many characters as I want! Why would anyone accept such a horrible limit?" I didn't get it. I sort of see the point of all the follow-y stuff now. But I'd still kind of like to see an anti-Twitter that enforces a minimum post-length.

Quoting: GuestInstalling .NET redists on any Wine prefix is my worst nightmare right now. Out of like 50 attempts over the last month I succeeded twice.

And if it does, most things I tried don't really work well. Considering the install size of .NET, why did it ever become a thing? Who wants to deal with that.

Quoting: Xaero_VincentI cannot log into Windows Steam with vanilla Wine 3.18 nor 3.19. Staging works, though. :(

Can anyone else confirm that Windows Steam is broken in the latest vanilla Wine?

Yes, I can confirm that. All I see with 3.19 is small Steam popup saying it's logging in and then it all close and process dies. Sometimes I see error message about missing connection, but after a second it crashes too.

Will have to try staging.

Quoting: devnullHow long before Proton updates though :(

That's what I want to know too. :) I believe this bug is pretty much what is preventing LA Noire from working on Proton.