Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port, time to start guessing

Quoting: wvstolzing

Quoting: jensBut in the end Proton may help to substantially increase Linux market share and visibility to reach a point where Linux will be considered earlier in the gaming development process. This may lead to more native games in the end.

Wine contributes to making people less dependent on windows licenses; that can only help Linux adoption in the long run.

Yes, sure. Though with gaming, Proton counts as Linux, Steam in Wine counts as Windows.


Last edited by jens on 15 November 2018 at 9:18 pm UTC

Proton is great but it starts becoming less attractive as you scale up resolution, perfect for 1080p and 1440p but to run 4k decently you need 2080TI which is in fantasyland with the inflated price tag.

It's a option between 40-45fps under Proton, or 60-65 fps under Windows, it's just unfortunate. I can't stand sub 50fps on average.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: jensIn my opinion it's the other way around. Linux is loosing some native games in the sort term due to Proton. But in the end Proton may help to substantially increase Linux market share and visibility to reach a point where Linux will be considered earlier in the gaming development process. This may lead to more native games in the end.

Hopefully it goes that way. My pessimism is from actually being around in the OS/2 and DOS era, and watching OS/2 disappear when it basically became redundant once it was DOS/Windows compatible. Developers saw that they could just develop for Windows and not worry about OS/2, as it was compatible. We all know how that one ended.

So I see some dangerous parallels here. But maybe I am just being overly pessimistic. If you're into computers for long enough, you begin to see history repeat itself. Just gives me an uneasy feeling.

Anyway, enough of a distraction from this thread. I hope (and expect) this to be Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which will be a day-1 buy for me. I won't buy the Windows version for exactly the reasons stated above.

I've thought quite a bit about that parallel, ever since "Proton" first was announced. (I think I used OS/2 Warp for about a year, it came preinstalled on a laptop) It has kept me (still keeps me) feeling rather ambivalent about the whole project. I just hope the situations then and now are far to different, for there to be any risk of a similar outcome.


Last edited by Feist on 15 November 2018 at 9:51 pm UTC

Quoting: somebody1121Shadow of the tomb raider?

Exactly what I was thinking the same considering they have ported the last two Tomb Raider titles to Linux, I would be all over this if it comes to Linux.

Quoting: GuestQUESTION: Assuming it is Shadow of the Tomb Raider, what's going to happen when the Feral version finds my Proton version already tending the penguin egg?

A regular update that overwrites the existing content as necessary? It works that way with Proton replacing native versions, I'd imagine it works that way in the other direction. Might involve full redownload if the depots aren't set up to reuse the same data.

The analogy with windoze vs. os/2 might actually work the other way around.

Being perfectly compatible with windoze *applications* made os/2 redundant for its purposes. It's hard to imagine Wine having the same effect, because application development on Linux is typically done using open source, cross-platform toolkits in the first place. No one's going to abandon the GTK or Qt projects because of wine.

As to all the lower level software projects, wine is totally irrelevant to them anyway.

But on the other hand, for so many home users, the main selling point of windoze is that it still owns the high-performance 'triple aiaiaiai' gaming world. Mobile OSs, & webapps, etc., already made a dent in their hegemony in the office software space, so gaming is now an even more significant reason to own a windoze pc. Compatibility of the sort that wine introduces weakens that very reason.


Last edited by wvstolzing on 15 November 2018 at 10:27 pm UTC

Let's Go Crazy ....
I dream about some good FPS !!


Last edited by fedotix on 15 November 2018 at 10:30 pm UTC

After a couple people mentioned Petroglyphs of Pusharo, a quick Google image search turned up these...
https://www.palotoaamazontravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Pusharo.jpg
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Petroglyphs-of-Pusharo-MANU-national-park-Dept-of-Cusco-photo-R-Hostnig_fig12_287815507

Compare to Feral image...
https://www.feralinteractive.com/images/upcoming/Cryptic+Obscurity+.jpg

From the little bit I've skimmed/learned, there are some explorers (and also pseudoarcheologists) that think the petroglyphs have some connection with the lost city of Paititi, which apparently is a key place in Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
http://www.granpaititi.com/index.php?id=124&lang=en
http://www.exploringtraditions.com/pusharo-and-the-search-for-paititi-the-lost-city-of-gold-part-i
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2016/01/11/move-over-machu-picchu-the-discovery-of-paititi-the-secret-city-of-gold-may-change-peru-forever


Last edited by silentprocyon on 16 November 2018 at 12:00 am UTC

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: jensIn my opinion it's the other way around. Linux is loosing some native games in the sort term due to Proton. But in the end Proton may help to substantially increase Linux market share and visibility to reach a point where Linux will be considered earlier in the gaming development process. This may lead to more native games in the end.

Hopefully it goes that way. My pessimism is from actually being around in the OS/2 and DOS era, and watching OS/2 disappear when it basically became redundant once it was DOS/Windows compatible. Developers saw that they could just develop for Windows and not worry about OS/2, as it was compatible. We all know how that one ended.

So I see some dangerous parallels here. But maybe I am just being overly pessimistic. If you're into computers for long enough, you begin to see history repeat itself. Just gives me an uneasy feeling.

Anyway, enough of a distraction from this thread. I hope (and expect) this to be Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which will be a day-1 buy for me. I won't buy the Windows version for exactly the reasons stated above.

Yeah, that's a valid thought. Let's hope the future turns out in favor of Linux.
I remember OS/2 Warp too, I experienced there for the first time that you could do two things at the same time on a computer. In my case creating archives in one window and already copying the first part onto a floppy ;).


Last edited by jens on 15 November 2018 at 10:41 pm UTC

The big differences between OS/2 and Linux are that OS/2 was closed source, developed by one company and cost money. So of course it was doomed in the long run once Windows started being preinstalled on new computers. Hardly anyone would wipe a preinstalled commercial system to buy and install another commercial system, but for most people it's not a problem to ditch Windows (which they got "for free" anyway) and install Linux, or at least install it alongside Windows "just in case" and then never boot the doze again.


Last edited by pb on 15 November 2018 at 11:08 pm UTC