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Nice to see stable growth of AMD GPUs usage.

Also interesting to note the rising usage of Wine and dropping dualbooting. It must be related to all the latest Wine, dxvk and Proton progress.

Some suggestions. Can you please make an option to toggle off all graphs in a single trends section? For instance using graphs with all GPUs is almost impossible (there are so many), if you want to focus just on a small subset. I had to manually switch off many from a huge list, sifting through them all. It would be useful to be able to turn all off, and then gradually enable them back for only those that you want to analyze.

Also, it would be very useful to see total amount of users in the month value in trends (in the tooltip), not just percentages. It gives the data more meaning.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 6:00 pm UTC

When was the last time you used Wine to play a Windows game?

I think the answers here will be very different depending on how people interpret Wine to also include Proton. Perhaps rephrase, or add another question?


Last edited by dpanter on 25 November 2018 at 7:17 pm UTC

When was the last time you used Wine to play a Windows game?

I think the answers here will be very different depending on how people interpret Wine to also include Proton. Perhaps rephrase, or add another question?

Proton is Wine with modifications, so it includes it. I don't think it's confusing to ask just about Wine.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 7:23 pm UTC

I changed my Wine usage setting due to Proton

Should we differentiate between Wine & Proton/Steamplay now?

Cheers

Edit:
Should have read the earlier comments lol


Last edited by Woodlandor on 25 November 2018 at 7:26 pm UTC

Hi

I didn't change anything, but for next time, a Proton/WINE distinction would be nice i think.

Yea, Proton I view differently than wine as Proton still counts as a Linux sale. Though I exclusively use Proton/Wine setups to play ONLY games I already owned many years ago before Debian became my primary gaming system (skyrim) or to play games that were purchased for me as a gift (such as elder scrolls online). Seems to be a pattern there :). I never purchase any game or application with the intent to use it with wine or proton, I only support native Linux software, which is why I marked wine usage as never. Actually I'd recommend changing the wine question from "how often you use wine" to "did you purchase anything with the intent to use it on wine", as that's a much more accurate representation of people's buying habits and therefore more relevant to developers anyway.

I count Proton as Wine, so I updated my profile a month or so ago to reflect this. I'm currently playing through Fallout: New Vegas using it.

Yea, Proton I view differently than wine as Proton still counts as a Linux sale.

This has nothing to do with Wine and Proton though, but with who and how is counting it. I.e. Proton is Wine regardless of that.

Yeah I'd like Proton to be its own question to properly separate them and have a clear statistical view of regular wine versus proton use.

I do think there should be some distinction between Steam's Proton and vanilla Wine, regardless the connection between the two.
I would be interested to know how many people are ready to accept the lower-effort Proton way, but still don't wanna bother with Wine for example.

I do think there should be some distinction between Steam's Proton and vanilla Wine, regardless the connection between the two.
I would be interested to know how many people are ready to accept the lower-effort Proton way, but still don't wanna bother with Wine for example.

Pretty much one if not THE big reason why we should divide both use and clearly ask separately about them.

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Will make a Steam Play question a top priority.

By the way, it's better to ask about Proton specifically, since not everyone who is using Proton is using Steam Play. I'm not using Proton for instance, but @adamhm for example is using it in his scripts for GOG games.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 9:38 pm UTC

By the way, it's better to ask about Proton specifically, since not everyone who is using Proton is using Steam Play. I'm not using Proton for instance, but @adamhm for example is using it in his scripts for GOG games.

Well Proton by itself would just be included in the Wine question. Since Proton is essentially a version of Wine with additions.

Steam Play on the other hand is rather specific.

Well Proton by itself would just be included in the Wine question. Since Proton is essentially a version of Wine with additions.

Yep, that was my main point above. But some said they want to differentiate stock Wine and Proton. So may be it should be more clear in the question, when it means either of them. I.e. like "Wine and derivatives".

Steam Play on the other hand is rather specific.

That's fine as long as it's clear that question about Wine includes Proton.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 10:51 pm UTC

I do think there should be some distinction between Steam's Proton and vanilla Wine, regardless the connection between the two.
I would be interested to know how many people are ready to accept the lower-effort Proton way, but still don't wanna bother with Wine for example.

Pretty much one if not THE big reason why we should divide both use and clearly ask separately about them.

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Or in my case, want to make sure that purchases are seen as Linux purchases. The click-and-play experience is "just" the second best reason for me to prefer SteamPlay over wine. ;)


Last edited by jens on 25 November 2018 at 11:00 pm UTC

Also, there are now a couple more combinations of AMD drivers... with AMDVLK and RADV, with the proprietary LLVM fork or without, and the proprietary PRO OpenGL or Mesa... For now, open source can be either AMDVLK or RADV, as well as LLVM + Mesa.
I think the settings are fine, but there's not that much point in OSS vs Proprietary with the granularity in AMD's drivers

I think dividing the question with an extra parameter for Steamplay is a good option. The trend shows "wine" usage having increased by 10% over the past few months, when presumably that's almost entirely proton and traditional wine usage has probably dropped as a result.

I've been playing quite a few games through steamplay, but put "over 6 months ago" for wine.

It's a pretty big difference since those are counted as Linux sales in the eyes of the developer, just like any port done with a wine-wrapper.

Quietly cries about subpar specs like I do every month

Got 2 AMD Threadripper 1950X in the mail and 2x VEGA 64s.

Unboxed the CPU cooler today and good lord does it look beast.

Time to update.