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Quoting: dubigrasuI do think there should be some distinction between Steam's Proton and vanilla Wine, regardless the connection between the two.
I would be interested to know how many people are ready to accept the lower-effort Proton way, but still don't wanna bother with Wine for example.

Pretty much one if not THE big reason why we should divide both use and clearly ask separately about them.

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Will make a Steam Play question a top priority.

By the way, it's better to ask about Proton specifically, since not everyone who is using Proton is using Steam Play. I'm not using Proton for instance, but @adamhm for example is using it in his scripts for GOG games.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 9:38 pm UTC

Quoting: ShmerlBy the way, it's better to ask about Proton specifically, since not everyone who is using Proton is using Steam Play. I'm not using Proton for instance, but @adamhm for example is using it in his scripts for GOG games.

Well Proton by itself would just be included in the Wine question. Since Proton is essentially a version of Wine with additions.

Steam Play on the other hand is rather specific.

Quoting: liamdaweWell Proton by itself would just be included in the Wine question. Since Proton is essentially a version of Wine with additions.

Yep, that was my main point above. But some said they want to differentiate stock Wine and Proton. So may be it should be more clear in the question, when it means either of them. I.e. like "Wine and derivatives".

Quoting: liamdaweSteam Play on the other hand is rather specific.

That's fine as long as it's clear that question about Wine includes Proton.


Last edited by Shmerl on 25 November 2018 at 10:51 pm UTC

Quoting: TheSyldat

Quoting: dubigrasuI do think there should be some distinction between Steam's Proton and vanilla Wine, regardless the connection between the two.
I would be interested to know how many people are ready to accept the lower-effort Proton way, but still don't wanna bother with Wine for example.

Pretty much one if not THE big reason why we should divide both use and clearly ask separately about them.

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Or in my case, want to make sure that purchases are seen as Linux purchases. The click-and-play experience is "just" the second best reason for me to prefer SteamPlay over wine. ;)


Last edited by jens on 25 November 2018 at 11:00 pm UTC

Also, there are now a couple more combinations of AMD drivers... with AMDVLK and RADV, with the proprietary LLVM fork or without, and the proprietary PRO OpenGL or Mesa... For now, open source can be either AMDVLK or RADV, as well as LLVM + Mesa.
I think the settings are fine, but there's not that much point in OSS vs Proprietary with the granularity in AMD's drivers

I think dividing the question with an extra parameter for Steamplay is a good option. The trend shows "wine" usage having increased by 10% over the past few months, when presumably that's almost entirely proton and traditional wine usage has probably dropped as a result.

I've been playing quite a few games through steamplay, but put "over 6 months ago" for wine.

It's a pretty big difference since those are counted as Linux sales in the eyes of the developer, just like any port done with a wine-wrapper.

Quietly cries about subpar specs like I do every month

Got 2 AMD Threadripper 1950X in the mail and 2x VEGA 64s.

Unboxed the CPU cooler today and good lord does it look beast.

Time to update.