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I have 128GB of ram, but can't fill that into the survey, no chance you can add an option?

Just to chime in: I think it's very relevant to make a distinction between Steam Play and Wine, simply cause the user experience is different on a fundamental level. SP is completely transparent. One don't have to do (or know) a single ting related to Wine to run a game on Google Play.


Last edited by Beamboom on 28 November 2018 at 7:46 am UTC

I clicked on the text to be included. Then the text changed!

What is this? Black magic?!

Quietly cries about subpar specs like I do every month

Got 2 AMD Threadripper 1950X in the mail and 2x VEGA 64s.

Unboxed the CPU cooler today and good lord does it look beast.

Time to update.

You're aware that everybody hates you?


;)

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Or in my case, want to make sure that purchases are seen as Linux purchases. The click-and-play experience is "just" the second best reason for me to prefer SteamPlay over wine. ;)

... or getting official support for some of the games.

I'd be interested to know people's reasons for using Proton.
Liam, there used to be special questions i a single survey once upon a time...?


Last edited by Eike on 26 November 2018 at 9:23 am UTC

It'll give indications to how many people are willing to take the time to fiddle with wine , versus people who just want a single click play solution that "just work"...

Or in my case, want to make sure that purchases are seen as Linux purchases. The click-and-play experience is "just" the second best reason for me to prefer SteamPlay over wine. ;)

... or getting official support for some of the games.

I'd be interested to know people's reasons for using Proton.
Liam, there used to be special questions i a single survey once upon a time...?

The old survey wasn't run by me at all, was a community thing. I can certainly look into a feature of having something unique in certain months and publish some of the most interesting answers (anonymously).

I want to keep the Steam Play question simple, which will hopefully make it clear and allow more people to actually answer it.

Do give me some suggestions :)

The old survey wasn't run by me at all, was a community thing. I can certainly look into a feature of having something unique in certain months and publish some of the most interesting answers (anonymously).

Oh, but you did announce it regularly, right?

I was thinking along the lines...

What's your main reason to use Proton?
[ ] I'm not.
[ ] Easy of use over WINE
[ ] Making my purchases count as Linux sells
[ ] Official support by Valve for the few Proton games I'm playing

Pedantic perhaps, but very important: the last point isnt true. Valve don't support games directly, they support "Proton". They were quite clear about that early on; problems with the game are not the responsibility of Valve. That Valve does give a whitelist of games that are known to run is a different matter again, and is not official support for the game in any way.

I don't find this pedantic. But it does seeem to me Valve is offering support for the whitelisted games (emphasis mine):

Q: I'm a developer; my game got whitelisted in Steam Play; does this mean I have to support an additional platform?

No; if a game was whitelisted as a result of our testing, we've assessed the experience to be identical (save for an expected moderate performance impact). Users playing through Steam Play experiencing Linux-specific issues should be directed to Steam for support. Keep in mind users were most likely already playing your game using Wine; you just have better visibility into it now.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561

Users playing through Steam Play experiencing Linux-specific issues should be directed to Steam for support.

It's support for "Proton", not the game. If there's an update for the game that breaks things, basically Valve can say that they don't officially support the game (although will probably investigate if there's an issue with "Proton" that they can resolve), and the game dev can turn around and say they don't support GNU/Linux (and by extension, wine).

The quote say the opposite, IMHO. If there's an update for the game that breaks things, and you're a user "playing through Steam Play experiencing Linux-specific issues", you "should be directed to Steam for support." Isn't that... clear?

Also, games bought and played through Proton would count as a Linux sale.

Again, this is not inherently defined by Proton. For instance you can buy and download a game from GOG (using a regular browser), and then play it with Proton. It would be attributed to Linux if the browser you used has a Linux user agent.

Attributing something to Linux usage depends on the store methodology, not on Proton itself, and that doesn't in any way define its relationship to Wine.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 12:50 pm UTC

I'm talking about Steam.

Which implies that usage of Proton means using Steam, which is not correct. While Proton is targeted for Steam, it can be used without it.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 2:51 pm UTC

I'm talking about Steam.

Which implies that usage of Proton means using Steam, which is not correct. While Proton is targeted for Steam, it can be used without it.

It's not too hard to find out what he actually meant, or is it?
I mean "bought and played through Proton" does rule out potential missunderstandings...

Jesus Shmerl...

Okay, I'm not going to read all that, sorry.

Please, reward my ignorance and simply answer the question:

Do I update my answer from "no" to "yes" next to the question about wine if I play games through Steam Play (no wine, no Proton)?

Do I update my answer from "no" to "yes" next to the question about wine if I play games through Steam Play (no wine, no Proton)?

Yes, change it. Proton used in Steam Play is a Wine variant. But there will be a separate question about Steam Play (not Proton but Steam Play specifically if I understood correctly).


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 5:11 pm UTC

Okay, I'm not going to read all that, sorry.

Please, reward my ignorance and simply answer the question:

Do I update my answer from "no" to "yes" next to the question about wine if I play games through Steam Play (no wine, no Proton)?

Please stay with "No". Seems that Liam will add a separate question for Steam Play (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141516).

Please stay with "No". Seems that Liam will add a separate question for Steam Play (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141516).

Liam said, that it means that question about Wine will include Proton then, so it should be "Yes" to the first question.

I.e. the first question is about the tool (Wine and derivatives). The second question is about Steam Play specifically (Steam feature).

If that's too confusing, it's better just to stick with one question about Wine.


Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 5:31 pm UTC

Please stay with "No". Seems that Liam will add a separate question for Steam Play (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141516).

Liam said, that it means that question about Wine will include Proton then, so it should be "Yes" to the first question.

I.e. the first question is about the tool (Wine and derivatives). The second question is about Steam Play specifically (Steam feature).

If that's too confusing, it's better just to stick with one question about Wine.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141582

Please note that I used Steam Play in my answer, not Proton. I agree that the question about wine needs some clarification. Something in the line of:

- Do you use Wine (excluding Proton via SteamPlay)?
- Do you use Steam Play?

If You install the Steam client on WINe, (official WINe or Crossover) it will use the Windows version of the steam client, and the Steam servers will see your machine as a windows one and your purchases will count as Windows purchases.

Proton is different. It works inside the native Linux steam client: It uses WINe as an important ingredient, but is not WINe.. And the Steam servers will see your machine as a Linux one. And because of this, your purchases will count as Linux purchases, even if You buy a Windows game-

So, Liam, You have to include a separate question for Steamplay/Proton usage.. After that, I will update my info.