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Quoting: FredOI'm finally getting Helium Rain. I haven't played a space trading type game since Freelancers! I had hoped they would bring Elite Dangerous to Linux at some point, but it never happened...

I've been keeping an eye on ED in the Proton DB. It's moved up from Borked to Bronze, with a few Gold reports, so maybe soon...

Quoting: KetilI disagree, video games are art as long as the components of the game are combined with the purpose of realizing a vision. Disqualifying all games from being art, will in my opinion also disqualify a lot of films, and a lot of music from being art.

Don't get me started. All I'll say is that the idea that only certain man-made things qualify as Art is a very recent one in the scale of human history.


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Quoting: DuncAll I'll say is that the idea that only certain man-made things qualify as Art is a very recent one in the scale of human history.

Is Linux art?

Quoting: PatolaI've seen quite a few gameplays of that game on youtube and they seemed incredibly boring. The graphics were not very varied, there was too much number-crunching, menus and inventory management and walls of text and too few exploring and questing. I would love to be convinced that it is indeed good, however.

It takes a little for the game to open up, but there's a ton of content. My first playthrough took over 100 hours and I still missed like 40% of the game. There will be a lot of menus as it's a P&P RPG system with a barony management system bolted on, which is par for the course for this type of game. If you're a fan of the classics, like Baldur's Gate or Planescape: Torment, this game blows PoE and Torment: Tides of Numeria out of the water.

Quoting: SalvatosThat's interesting to hear. I heard only about the weird difficulty balance/progression. Has that been fixed and what else has?

Some facets of the difficulty have been fixed, although I still wouldn't recommend trying to play the entire game on Unfair difficulty unless you're familiar with min-maxing in the Pathfinder system. The biggest bug that's been fixed is the save corruption bug. Every time the developer releases a patch they write a post saying exactly what they fixed, so you can check the news page on steam for an overview. One annoying bug that remains is that a certain creature type, the mites, are missing textures on the linux version. This reminds me a lot of the bug in PoE where there are no cape textures. It's not a massive problem if you make ample use of the tab key in the one area where you find a lot of mites (Old Sycamore).

I have 7 games at 50% or better, out of a 193 items wishlist .
Then 27 items between 49 and 30%.

So far, i've (re)bought Fantasy Strike, and this time i think i like it more than months ago. I even won my very first online match : i clicked to check the options, and won. I guess my challenger was really bad then...

I've also rererererefunded Shaolin vs Wutang. Too much issues and bad perf via Proton. I tried several times since its release, but now i give up until a native build, if...

I don't really have time, nor money actually, to buy too many games. I've bought Total Warhammer 2 and some DLC on Fanatical last months already, huge time consumption. I only buy DLC for this game when they are around 10€, so i think for everything (TWH1+2+ all DLC but 3) over the years, i paid about 80€. It's not a lot per hours of gameplay...

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Quoting: FredOI'm finally getting Helium Rain. I haven't played a space trading type game since Freelancers! I had hoped they would bring Elite Dangerous to Linux at some point, but it never happened...

Consider buying X4: Foundations when the Linux port is finished. Seems to be an amazing game.

Yeah, it does look really good. I've got it wishlisted, and just waiting for the Linux release.

It's from a German developer too, so worth supporting in my book

A few points:

• While it's great X4 is coming and ED and SC can be made to work on Wine/Proton now, absolutely still buy Helium Rain. It's a terrific game on its own, has a great style, and is deep. The Dev is super Linux friendly. I think he said our community was 11% or more of their purchases at one point.


• Looking forward to X4 here as well. If they patch it up for us, looks like it has the potential to be a space sim to satisfy for years to come (especially given how mod friendly it is)


• And, yes, ED and SC are working better and better on Wine, although I don't have strong desires oddly to play either based on my limited exposures (ED is somewhat shallow, and I've found prior flight dynamics on SC very unsatisfying)

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Quoting: GuestGames are NOT art. At best, the contain some art, alongside other things. For example music in games is art. But games per se, are NOT art.

This is just a bullshit excuse we tell ourselves just so we can justify the time we waste playing them. We want to feel like we are experiencing art while all we are doing is playing with virtual toys.

Video games are just entertainment, and there is nothing wrong with that. Stop deluding yourselves.

But all the arts are made for entertainment, or you don't consider films an art?

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Quoting: GuestGames are NOT art. At best, the contain some art, alongside other things. For example music in games is art. But games per se, are NOT art.

This is just a bullshit excuse we tell ourselves just so we can justify the time we waste playing them. We want to feel like we are experiencing art while all we are doing is playing with virtual toys.

Video games are just entertainment, and there is nothing wrong with that. Stop deluding yourselves.

But all the arts are made for entertainment, or you don't consider films an art?

No. You got it all wrong, as did the previous posters.

Art is NOT about entertainment. Art is about expression, and the transfer of ideas and feelings.

Thus, not every film is art... For example porn is not "art". Porn is just there so you can get an easy and fast release of sexual pleasure. There is no artistic expression, no feelings or thoughts transfered. Just raw porn.

A great philosophical theatrical play is Art. A clown making balloons on the street for little kids, not art. One is there to transfer thoughts and feelings, the other is there just to waste some time and entertain the brats while their parents can drink their coffee with their friends in peace. LOL.

A lot of games qualify for that definition of art. A simple minesweeper clone doesn't qualify, but games like Psychonauts definitely do.

Quoting: tmtvlIf you're a fan of the classics, like Baldur's Gate or Planescape: Torment, this game blows PoE and Torment: Tides of Numeria out of the water.

I have an unpopular opinion I know, but what would you expect if I actually liked PoE better than BG?

Quoting: devnullIronic and perhaps paradoxical is the more invested you are in a field the more you gravitate to recognizing art within it.

How is that ironic? It seems pretty intuitive to me that experts in a field can better appreciate the subtleties of it and the meanings beneath the surface.

(Strange discussion to have in a Steam sale thread, come to think of it.)

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Quoting: SalvatosHow is that ironic? It seems pretty intuitive to me that experts in a field can better appreciate the subtleties of it and the meanings beneath the surface.

Because awards tend not to make any distinction between voter backgrounds. What exactly is "Best Video Game" for example. Best how, play? Linux support?

I fail to see how awards are relevant to the subject of my quote, but that would depend on the awards in question. Steam awards are obviously nothing more than a popularity contest.