Another Steam Client Beta is out, adds the ability to force Steam Play

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: jens

Quoting: EikeGerman computer magazine c't ran a test lately. People having been told they were playing at a GaaS system complained - people they didn't tell it didn't even realize it. That probably won't be true for hardcore gamers, but for the majority (as long as their internet connection is good enough) won't see or at least won't care for the difference. (I heart there's people playing at 30 fps out there...!)

Interesting, do you have a link for that?
(Or do you refer to the printed magazine?)

I just read a test in a printed magazine of late 2018 (I'm lagging myself... X) ), but here is a even better new test online:
https://www.heise.de/select/ct/2019/1/1546333965757789

For the records: Parsec was the only of the tested cloud services that had a working Linux client.

Thanks, very interesting. What I took from the video: quite similar with Netflix Gaas wont be the solution for the high-end gamer/consumer, but could be a very attractive alternative for the casual player.


Last edited by jens on 19 January 2019 at 1:06 pm UTC

Quoting: GuestThose who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

but they also talk about linux desktop. yes, PC market is shrinking (but still much much bigger than 30yrs ago), because everyone has a PC at home and/or have other devices


the last quote is also not correct. who said, that nobody learned from history?
the concept of challenging windows isnt a bad idea and again the circumstances TODAY are totally different, so you cant just compare it

if you wanna quote something then it better be: “If you try, you might fail,
But if you don't try, you'll never succeed.”

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Guesti bet tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider will run even better now gonna have to test this

rise of the tr has VULKAN and runs pretty good. i dont think, that it runs better with an extra DXVK layer. but maybe someone give it a shot and makes a NATIVE / PROTON comparison video. same with HITMAN

i definitely try METRO. the linux ports rly suck and have less options, than on windows
since there is no WAR THUNDER VULKAN update i think the Win version also could run better now (depends on anti cheat)

and i may can finally play DEAD ISLAND on linux
i complained a few days ago and hoped for forcing steamplay on native ports
and for some reasons 12 is better than 6 and iron snout wont work for me

but first i have to finish some games and make free space

yea ill be doing hitman i have that and rise of the tomb raider

no need for rise of the tomb raider
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt2bYfb27Qo

feral port is better

Quoting: EikeThat probably won't be true for hardcore gamers, but for the majority (as long as their internet connection is good enough) won't see or at least won't care for the difference. (I heart there's people playing at 30 fps out there...!)

That's me! ... But it'll take a lot to convince me to switch to streaming as my main means of gaming.

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Quoting: obscurenforeignI don't really feel like messing with a beta right now, can anyone tell me if Saints Row: the Third works on Steam Play? I tried on Wine before but it wouldn't start, apparently because of problems with the DRM. (I didn't feel like trying to crack it.)

Nope, I just tried it with Steam Play (Proton 3.16-6 and 3.7-8) and it didn't launch. I was able to pick the D3D version but after that it just refuses to launch.

Dang, that's what it does in Wine too. (Sorry for the late reply.)

Well, if I select DX9 I can see some logos. Then it crashes.

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoEventually Microsoft will close their garden and will force developers to join The Windows Store: If your game or software is not there, suddenly it will not work on windows 10 or the next windows...
I don't see big publishers like EA and Ubisoft closing their respective clients for to join the Windows Store....
I don't see Indie devs joining the Windows Store.

Quick history lesson (for those who don't already know about PS/2 and ISA):

Spoiler, click me

After the likes of Compaq created the “IBM clone” market in the mid '80s, IBM decided that they needed to gain their exclusivity back and devised a new PC architecture, PS/2, which, in a fit of magnanimity, they'd licence to the clone makers for a nice juicy fee. By the time this was ready for market, it was the late '80s, and the clone manufacturers, having a decent business going by this point and not wanting to see all their profitability disappear down a big blue hole, got together and drew up a standard for future development based on what they already had: the Industry Standard Architecture, or ISA (and that's where your ISA slots came from).

No prizes for guessing which one won out in the end.

If MS continue on the path they're on with Win10, I can imagine a consortium of game developers coalescing around Proton as a sort of “Industry Standard API”. I think that's Valve's whole plan, really.

It's true that an API is a different beast to a hardware architecture and things in the software world move much faster. And DX11 is already “out of date”. But then, so was ISA: PS/2 was more advanced. However, ISA was simply a common platform that future developments could be based on. There's not much of it left in a modern PC. The point was wresting control of the platform from a single player and moving towards a more open, consensus-based, industry-wide model without restrictive licenses.

The same could happen with Proton. If DX11 proves inadequate, they can move towards using Vulkan directly. If the basic Win32/64 and DirectX APIs become outdated, well, everything written specifically for Proton's “ISAPI” works on Linux anyway, so...

(Edit: Heh. That's what I get for reading the thread backwards. I didn't see tonyrh's comment until I'd posted mine. Great minds think alike. :) I think one difference is that I don't see it as a bad thing. ISA didn't strengthen IBM's hand; quite the opposite. Although they eventually gave in and continued to make ISA PCs, they had to recognise that it was no longer “their” system. I don't see Microsoft losing control of the pre-DX12 Windows API as anything other than a win.)


Last edited by Dunc on 21 January 2019 at 2:56 am UTC

Quoting: Dunca new PC architecture, PS/2

Did you mean: MCA bus?

The PS/2 port is a connector named after the IBM PS/2 models where it was introduced. It was quickly adopted and replaced DE-9 RS-232 (mice) and 5-pin DIN (keyboard) connectors. They have all essentially been superceded by USB nowadays, but the PS/2 hangs on due to some specific attributes that makes it desirable even today.

Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: Dunca new PC architecture, PS/2

Did you mean: MCA bus?

Heh. I knew someone would pick up on that. I was trying to keep it simple. :)