Valve are working fast to improve the Steam client this year, with another beta now available including an option that was highly requested.
Firstly, Steam Input gained support for the HORI Battle Pad and HORI Wireless Switch Pad. Additionally, Big Picture mode had two bugs fixed. The usual stuff there and nothing major, that is until you get to the Linux section of the beta changelog.
Users have been asking Valve pretty much since Steam Play arrived, to add a method to force a native game to use Steam Play instead. So now, if you've opted into the Steam beta client you will see this on the properties of a game (the bottom option):
Why is that so interesting and important? Well, honestly, some Linux ports get left behind for months and years and some really just aren't good. Additionally, some Linux games have multiplayer that's not cross-platform, this could also help with that. Not to downplay the effort a lot of developers put in, it's just how it is. The ability for users to control between the version from the developer and running it through Steam Play is a nice to have option.
Linux changes:
- Added the ability to force-enable Steam Play in per-title properties, including for native games
- Fixed incorrect scroll offset in the in-game overlay
- Reworked global Steam Play enable settings to only override the Proton version used by unsupported games
- Fixed a bug where the global Steam Play enable setting wouldn't prompt for a Steam client restart
See the announcement here.
While not noted, the Steam client now actually shows what version of Proton is used for each title. Here's Into the Breach for example:
I would have played more but fullscreen is broken for me and it's a whitelisted title…
One of the next big stages for Steam Play, will be actually showing it for whitelisted titles on store pages. I'm still very curious to see how Valve will be handling that. Valve might also want to update the Steam support page too, it's rather outdated.
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How could you take it any other way when you saying that you don't see why XYZ has literally nothing to do with eyesight? That doesn't even make sense. It was a joke.
People are excited for several reasons, which you seem to be confusing.
1) Proton is being pushed by Valve, the advancements being done in the past couple of months were huge.
2) Steam is a major platform, that tries to push Linux into mainstream.
3) It is simply much more comfortable to have one click solution, which is the case most of the times. You install Steam, download a game with one click and just press PLAY and the game starts. That is big.
Just because you could do something like this with more effort before doesn't mean it was the better way.
Still not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.
But it's annoying to set up. One click solution is the key word. That's the way to attract people that have no idea how to setup Wine and whatnot.
So is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.
Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.
If you can't see the convenience factor, you might want to get your eyes checked out :P
And there is a lot of sudden excitement, because things now just work, not just because of Proton, but because of all the building blocks that Valve encouraged, DXVK, FAudio etc, networking issues fixed etc...
Wow, that wasn't condescending at all. Maybe you need to learn how to use your computer better?
How is any of what I said/wrote condescending?
I don't find needing a beta version and manually going through options in Steam for each game to use an outdated wine. Against just logging in from one shortcut or another.
That's because at the moment it's just a beta - that doesn't even need you to go through options and all that stuff.
A) re-read your own words. About getting eyes checked. Then consider how you might be coming across.
B) game options must be accessed. See the article for that information.
A) There's a :P - meaning I'm teasing/joking.
B) Only for specific cases, WHICH IS STILL IN BETA
Then for future reference: teasing, joking, or poking a bit of fun, are not taken the same way by everyone. Obviously in this case. Let's agree to just forget about that all now?
How could you take it any other way when you saying that you don't see why XYZ has literally nothing to do with eyesight? That doesn't even make sense. It was a joke.
Ok, still beta, but that doesn't change my original confusion: why the excitement over something that could already be done, and could be done for some time already? If I'm not clear, I honestly don't understand. By similar comparison, it's like people being excited that phone X can do something that all other phones could already do. I don't see what makes it so much more special now.
I suspect this is something that, like the craze of selfies, I'm not destined to understand.
People are excited for several reasons, which you seem to be confusing.
1) Proton is being pushed by Valve, the advancements being done in the past couple of months were huge.
2) Steam is a major platform, that tries to push Linux into mainstream.
3) It is simply much more comfortable to have one click solution, which is the case most of the times. You install Steam, download a game with one click and just press PLAY and the game starts. That is big.
Just because you could do something like this with more effort before doesn't mean it was the better way.
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Still not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.
But it's annoying to set up. One click solution is the key word. That's the way to attract people that have no idea how to setup Wine and whatnot.
So is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.
Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.
If you can't see the convenience factor, you might want to get your eyes checked out :P
And there is a lot of sudden excitement, because things now just work, not just because of Proton, but because of all the building blocks that Valve encouraged, DXVK, FAudio etc, networking issues fixed etc...
Wow, that wasn't condescending at all. Maybe you need to learn how to use your computer better?
How is any of what I said/wrote condescending?
I don't find needing a beta version and manually going through options in Steam for each game to use an outdated wine. Against just logging in from one shortcut or another.
That's because at the moment it's just a beta - that doesn't even need you to go through options and all that stuff.
A) re-read your own words. About getting eyes checked. Then consider how you might be coming across.
B) game options must be accessed. See the article for that information.
A) There's a :P - meaning I'm teasing/joking.
B) Only for specific cases, WHICH IS STILL IN BETA
Then for future reference: teasing, joking, or poking a bit of fun, are not taken the same way by everyone. Obviously in this case. Let's agree to just forget about that all now?
Ok, still beta, but that doesn't change my original confusion: why the excitement over something that could already be done, and could be done for some time already? If I'm not clear, I honestly don't understand. By similar comparison, it's like people being excited that phone X can do something that all other phones could already do. I don't see what makes it so much more special now.
I suspect this is something that, like the craze of selfies, I'm not destined to understand.
Mirv , i think you're mixing up things.
Being able to do it with available tools already , doesn't mean any user can do it or deal with it.
In fact SteamPlay just puts Wine , DXVK , Faudio into the same pot and service it to users.
It serves users an actual cake , not this.
It is a really convenient way for both Windows newcomers and existing Linux users to do be able to use all that stuff within native client , via clicks on GUI.
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Ok, still beta, but that doesn't change my original confusion: why the excitement over something that could already be done, and could be done for some time already? If I'm not clear, I honestly don't understand.
While I got more concerns than being excited about Proton (and neither use WINE nor Proton for gaming), Proton..
* is easier to use,
* makes games count as Linux sale and
* offers Valve's support for the whitelisted games.
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walther von stolzing 18 Jan 2019
... I'm really curious how Deus Ex MD performs under dxvk; but the 60gb download is too daunting ... and upon checking, I see that I don't even have enough free space, haha.
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...having said all that (from a mobile phone), my steam beta updated twice today but hasn't shown me the option to force steam play on the titles. :( Anyone else has that problem?
I guess you already tried to turn it off and back on again?
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Still not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.Sorry, but from my point of view, you're just being stubborn and refusing to accept facts. Aside from the people who already lectured you with the obligatory cake analogy, steam is a platform from where you launch many games. And being an oldschool wine user, having installed my fair share of games on winesteam, each on its own wineprefix because different settings and dlls are required, I should say that it's a pain in the ass, because you also have to manage a multitude of different steam installations. I still keep two 64-bit and one 32-bit steamwine installations due exactly to that reason, since there is a couple of games that work in wine but not in proton. Also, the steam client is not compatible with WindowsXP anymore, and so I can't choose it in winecfg because steam will refuse to run, but I can do it with proton for the games that need it. And proton is more easily configurable with the environment variables in the launch options.
So is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.
Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.
And the best thing is, since it's a semi-officially supported software from Steam, people are finally giving the deserved attention to wine. I know people which have been using Linux for more than a decade but had never even installed wine before proton, and finally it convinced them to try. Also, I sometimes give support to newbies in a telegram group, and it gets so much easier to help people when using steam play/proton as compared to wine...
It is not a convenience. It's not a small gap. It's a giant abyss that Valve enabled us linux users to cross.
...having said all that (from a mobile phone), my steam beta updated twice today but hasn't shown me the option to force steam play on the titles. :( Anyone else has that problem?
Library - Right click to any game - Properties
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The main problem with this feature would be that Linux users become lazy with natives (for instances, there is a workaround in order to get working Dying Light and Dead Island Definitive -- you can find it on GoL forums). Every games sometimes need a little workaround in order to make get native version working, so I hope people deplete options of making natives work before switching to the Windows version.
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...and you know who you are, trying to pass an insult off as a joke is silly. Please drop it.
I didn't insult you. You just didn't get an obvious joke. It's not hard to understand.
And you are the one insulting others now. Great job!
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Sorry, but from my point of view, you're just being stubborn and refusing to accept facts.
Ya he's literally asking a question and just ignoring the answers hes getting just to reask. At this point I think he's just stroking his own ego by trying to make us look dumb for not wanting to deal with wine.
But tbh people that use wine for steam games (the exception being games that dont work in proton) are only hurting linux gaming. Use proton. Count in sales. We cant sit here and complain about not having number on Linux when we ourselves arent contributing to the numbers.
Disclaimer: If you use GOG or whatever the above statements dont apply to you.
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Hope I can use proton for Rocket League to finally get workshop maps working. Performance might be better too. Rocket League's Linux performance is pretty poor compared to Windows sadly.
Rocket Leagues's wine performance is even poorer. Some of the workshop maps run at 20'ish FPS (RX580)
RL still uses DX9 (UE3)...
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Wow, seems I've stirred things up with the fanboys. Cool down folks.
I've been one-click installing games through Steam, via wine, for years. With no troubles. Apparently I baked a wonderful cake quite some time ago.
"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".
Semi-support from Valve has already proven to not fully work anyway.
...and you know who you are, trying to pass an insult off as a joke is silly. Please drop it.
Now, it seems many have troubles that I've never seen. As in, I could do everything with a button click already. What stopped that for others before?
Please do this test on your local surroundings and share the common answer with us.
Find Windows users ( not hard )
Show them both normal Wine usage vs SteamPlay
And ask them which one they prefer.
If it comes out as they pick normal Wine usage , then i will apologize ok?
Majority of Steam users ( which they are Windows ) cannot tolerate manual usage.
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"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".
Isn't that normal when using upstream Wine? You sound like Proton cannot run a single game but Wine can run all games. Before people go through all of their backlogs , newer Wine versions ends up in SteamPlay already.
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With beta client, i can't download anything, it throws the error "Content servers unreachable".
I'm on archlinux...
same error here, any way to solve this?
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Wow, seems I've stirred things up with the fanboys. Cool down folks.I find your continued indignation at kuhpunkt's comment rather galling considering your persistent dismissal of and condescension toward anyone who finds Steam Play useful.
I've been one-click installing games through Steam, via wine, for years. With no troubles. Apparently I baked a wonderful cake quite some time ago.
"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".
Semi-support from Valve has already proven to not fully work anyway.
...and you know who you are, trying to pass an insult off as a joke is silly. Please drop it.
Now, it seems many have troubles that I've never seen. As in, I could do everything with a button click already. What stopped that for others before?
I could easily counter your anecdotes of your experiences with Wine with my own of Steam working poorly under Wine and Far Cry 2 crashing with Wine but working fine with Steam Play without any fiddling.
Nobody's trying to stop you from using what works for you, but you seem hellbent on shutting down anyone whose experiences don't match your own.
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With beta client, i can't download anything, it throws the error "Content servers unreachable".
I'm on archlinux...
same error here, any way to solve this?
I had this problem after the last update, it turned out to have something to do with my VPN blocking IPv6 to protect against leaks. Once I disabled that feature in my VPN, things worked again.
I'm not saying this is exactly your problem, just that it might have something to do with IPv6 for you as well, somehow.
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Regarding the beta update (and disregarding the usual "thing(x)-hurts-Linux-gaming mewling)---"Yay!"
Last edited by Nanobang on 18 Jan 2019 at 1:17 pm UTC
Last edited by Nanobang on 18 Jan 2019 at 1:17 pm UTC
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Wow, seems I've stirred things up with the fanboys. Cool down folks.
Would you try not to get personal in the first sentence next time? Even more so when complaining about other people insulting? Thanks.
I've been one-click installing games through Steam, via wine, for years. With no troubles. Apparently I baked a wonderful cake quite some time ago.
That's fine. For you. But it obviously doesn't help anybody else.
"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".
To which argument is this a reaction? I cannot remember it...
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YourPalMark 18 Jan 2019
Great news! There are definitely some horribly ported games (ARK: Survival Evolved) that could benefit from this. Haven't been able to get the Windows version of ARK to load yet, but I hope to get it sorted.
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With beta client, i can't download anything, it throws the error "Content servers unreachable".
I'm on archlinux...
same error here, any way to solve this?
I had this problem after the last update, it turned out to have something to do with my VPN blocking IPv6 to protect against leaks. Once I disabled that feature in my VPN, things worked again.
I'm not saying this is exactly your problem, just that it might have something to do with IPv6 for you as well, somehow.
Thanks for reply, problem solved. I enabled the IPv6 in my internet connection and now downloads work :)
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Come on, guys. You can calm down now…
UNIX world is all about different opinions and ways of doing things. You don't expect everybody to be just like you, now do you?
I'm with mirv on the matter. And I might not be seeing it right, but it was rather a statement-opinion than a question.
By the way I don't want to be that guy, but you do realize that there is a fix for all gaming problems right? ... Windows!
All gaming problems solved in an instant, on top of that you get basicly all games out there (if we don't count console exclusives ofcourse).
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UNIX world is all about different opinions and ways of doing things. You don't expect everybody to be just like you, now do you?
I'm with mirv on the matter. And I might not be seeing it right, but it was rather a statement-opinion than a question.
By the way I don't want to be that guy, but you do realize that there is a fix for all gaming problems right? ... Windows!
All gaming problems solved in an instant, on top of that you get basicly all games out there (if we don't count console exclusives ofcourse).
Last edited by bolokanar on 18 Jan 2019 at 1:49 pm UTC
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legluondunet 18 Jan 2019
The so long awaited feature: install Windows games version instead of Linux native ones is here!!!
This issue on Github is a long long discussion to read, where a lot of users complains about games Linux ports that are not maintained anymore:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/5638
Native Linux games seems to get old badly.
Now we can even compare games performance between native port/Wine+DXVK.
And finally now you can choose the Proton version per game!
What I miss now is Media Player support to play games cinematics. Without them games are less immersive.
Last edited by legluondunet on 18 Jan 2019 at 2:05 pm UTC
This issue on Github is a long long discussion to read, where a lot of users complains about games Linux ports that are not maintained anymore:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/5638
Native Linux games seems to get old badly.
Now we can even compare games performance between native port/Wine+DXVK.
And finally now you can choose the Proton version per game!
What I miss now is Media Player support to play games cinematics. Without them games are less immersive.
Last edited by legluondunet on 18 Jan 2019 at 2:05 pm UTC
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