d9vk, a project based on DXVK for Direct3D 9 over Vulkan

Quoting: mylkavulkan cards are much newer than the latest dx9 game with the best graphics (outlast, dark souls 2)
so these cards can easily translate dx9 to opengl with 100+ fps

Graphics cards don't translate anything, the CPU does the heavy lifting. And Dishonored 1 (being one of the later D3D9 titles out there) runs at a whopping 30 FPS on my Ryzen 2700X + RX 480 with wined3d in some scenes. That much for "100+ FPS" on modern hardware.

Now wined3d could probably be improved significantly by using more modern OpenGL (PBA sort of did that as a proof-of-concept), but someone would actually have to do that in a way that is acceptable for wine upstream, and you'd probably still end up with something that's slower than a solid Vulkan-based implementation.


Last edited by YoRHa-2B on 2 March 2019 at 7:40 pm UTC

Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: mylkavulkan cards are much newer than the latest dx9 game with the best graphics (outlast, dark souls 2)
so these cards can easily translate dx9 to opengl with 100+ fps

Graphics cards don't translate anything, the CPU does the heavy lifting. And Dishonored 1 (being one of the later D3D9 titles out there) runs at a whopping 30 FPS on my Ryzen 2700X + RX 480 with wined3d in some scenes. That much for "100+ FPS" on modern hardware.

Now wined3d could probably be improved significantly by using more modern OpenGL (PBA sort of did that as a proof-of-concept), but someone would actually have to do that in a way that is acceptable for wine upstream, and you'd probably still end up with something that's slower than a solid Vulkan-based implementation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMeq67vkT8

weaker CPU, better GPU, 1440. far above 30fps. i guess its also driver related, that you just have 30

i had this with batman. it also was around 30fps. DXVK wasnt working, so i had to use opengl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkRiJtJWiY
the thing is: i didnt get more fps when i bought a rx580

but it was very playable. maybe it is better now, because it was one of the first proton versions

maybe i buy dishonored when it is on sale and try it myself

and there is absolutely no guarantee, that it works better with dx9->vulkan

i stick to my opinon. nice project, but there are more important things, than a few FPS for old games

Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: mylkavulkan cards are much newer than the latest dx9 game with the best graphics (outlast, dark souls 2)
so these cards can easily translate dx9 to opengl with 100+ fps

Graphics cards don't translate anything, the CPU does the heavy lifting. And Dishonored 1 (being one of the later D3D9 titles out there) runs at a whopping 30 FPS on my Ryzen 2700X + RX 480 with wined3d in some scenes. That much for "100+ FPS" on modern hardware.

Now wined3d could probably be improved significantly by using more modern OpenGL (PBA sort of did that as a proof-of-concept), but someone would actually have to do that in a way that is acceptable for wine upstream, and you'd probably still end up with something that's slower than a solid Vulkan-based implementation.

Yeah dx9 traslation in wine (need so much single thread horsepower) is very demanding in my case runs better but have core i3 8350k at 5.0ghz (around 25% better than ryzen 2xxx on single thread)

With csmt wine only use 2 cores at max

Dishonored (in video can see how % of use each core)



Last test with Pentium G3258 @ 4.1ghz + Artic Cooling Alpine 11 Plus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs6BMzMKobg

With Core i3 8350K Tri-Core @ 5.0ghz + CoolerMaster Hyper T4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh3bTYx3ZsE

d9vk could improve that for dont need 5ghz cpu

^_^


Last edited by mrdeathjr on 3 March 2019 at 12:32 am UTC

Quoting: mylkaand again............ VULKAN graphics cards are powerful enough to translate every dx9 only game to OPENGL with 100+ FPS.

Even low end integrated GPUs support Vulkan now. Vulkan support in GPUs has nothing to do with expected performance.

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: mylkaand again............ VULKAN graphics cards are powerful enough to translate every dx9 only game to OPENGL with 100+ FPS.

Even low end integrated GPUs support Vulkan now. Vulkan support in GPUs has nothing to do with expected performance.

i dont think someone buys an IGP and wants to play AAA 3D games, because thats also pretty hard on windows
i know a ryzen 3 can play GTA5 on windows with 720p and low settings, but if you really want to play, you need a dedicated graphics card. i was expecting, that we are on the same page here. i said "card"... a card isnt an IGP, which you normally dont use for gaming

but maybe someone has a ryzen 3 and can test dishonored on it with proton


Last edited by mylka on 3 March 2019 at 3:31 am UTC

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: mylkaand again............ VULKAN graphics cards are powerful enough to translate every dx9 only game to OPENGL with 100+ FPS.

Even low end integrated GPUs support Vulkan now. Vulkan support in GPUs has nothing to do with expected performance.

i dont think someone buys an IGP and wants to play AAA 3D games, because thats also pretty hard on windows
i know a ryzen 3 can play GTA5 on windows with 720p and low settings, but if you really want to play, you need a dedicated graphics card. i was expecting, that we are on the same page here. i said "card"... a card isnt an IGP, which you normally dont use for gaming

but maybe someone has a ryzen 3 and can test dishonored on it with proton

Vega 8 / Vega 11 suffer same problem and this problem is system shared memory is too slow compared for example ddr5 64bit 6000mhz

Amd needs put for example hbm, this can fix problem of actual igps but hbm is not cheap

^_^

Quoting: mrdeathjr

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: mylkaand again............ VULKAN graphics cards are powerful enough to translate every dx9 only game to OPENGL with 100+ FPS.

Even low end integrated GPUs support Vulkan now. Vulkan support in GPUs has nothing to do with expected performance.

i dont think someone buys an IGP and wants to play AAA 3D games, because thats also pretty hard on windows
i know a ryzen 3 can play GTA5 on windows with 720p and low settings, but if you really want to play, you need a dedicated graphics card. i was expecting, that we are on the same page here. i said "card"... a card isnt an IGP, which you normally dont use for gaming

but maybe someone has a ryzen 3 and can test dishonored on it with proton

Vega 8 / Vega 11 suffer same problem and this problem is system shared memory is too slow compared for example ddr5 64bit 6000mhz

Amd needs put for example hbm, this can fix problem of actual igps but hbm is not cheap

^_^

it isnt really a problem, because these CPUs are not meant for gaming, except you are into stardew valley, nidhogg and point and click adventures

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: mrdeathjr

Quoting: mylka

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: mylkaand again............ VULKAN graphics cards are powerful enough to translate every dx9 only game to OPENGL with 100+ FPS.

Even low end integrated GPUs support Vulkan now. Vulkan support in GPUs has nothing to do with expected performance.

i dont think someone buys an IGP and wants to play AAA 3D games, because thats also pretty hard on windows
i know a ryzen 3 can play GTA5 on windows with 720p and low settings, but if you really want to play, you need a dedicated graphics card. i was expecting, that we are on the same page here. i said "card"... a card isnt an IGP, which you normally dont use for gaming

but maybe someone has a ryzen 3 and can test dishonored on it with proton

Vega 8 / Vega 11 suffer same problem and this problem is system shared memory is too slow compared for example ddr5 64bit 6000mhz

Amd needs put for example hbm, this can fix problem of actual igps but hbm is not cheap

^_^

it isnt really a problem, because these CPUs are not meant for gaming, except you are into stardew valley, nidhogg and point and click adventures

Well, you know what they say.
Any GPU is meant for gaming if you're brave enough.

Quoting: mylkait isnt really a problem, because these CPUs are not meant for gaming, except you are into stardew valley, nidhogg and point and click adventures

Yeah this cpus is used for lite gaming aka 60fps, lower details and screen resolutions closer to 720p

However yeah for lastest games is difficult (cpu is slow and gpu too*) but a 720p many games works

*Caused by lower cpu clock frecuency, low quantity of shaders-rops-tmus, memory bandwith too low and higher lantencies provided by system ram

^_^


Last edited by mrdeathjr on 3 March 2019 at 3:21 pm UTC

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Quoting: hardpenguinMeanwhile I am here with a couple of niche games using D3D8 that are currently crashing in Wine :S:

You can use Dgvoodoo2 for DX8 games, and Dgvoodoo2 WIP57 for DX9 games. It translate DirectX calls from any version to DX10 or DX11, then DXVK will translate them to Vulkan.

http://www.dege.freeweb.hu/

As far as I know it is not open source, so it doesn't sound like an interesting approach to me!

But you're still interested in playing closed source software (games), right?
Sounds weird to me.

I'm interested in technology. As such I use and follow open source projects as much as possible. A game is usually only a one time enjoyment. But to answer your question, no, I'm not interested in playing only a closed source game, Linux and other open source projects are a precondition for me to enjoy it :-)

Ok, but still...
There are tons of preconditions for you to enjoy it, starting from the kernel to the tons of wrapped wine libraries.
What difference can do just a native library?
So i can desume that when a game needs winetricks you are just not interested anymore in playing it?

Quoting: mylka... so these cards can easily translate dx9 to opengl with 100+ fps ...

For me some DX9 games still perform bad with wined3d on my Geforce GTX 1050 but they performed better with Gallium Nine on the same PC but with Radeon HD 7850.

I've tried using dgvoodoo in conjuction with DXVK and the results were actually somewhat impressive in certain cases. For example I was able to run Nocturne in my native resolution with forced antialising and anisotropic filtering, that was pretty neat. But are there any actual cases of games that it makes playable that weren't playable before?

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Quoting: hardpenguinMeanwhile I am here with a couple of niche games using D3D8 that are currently crashing in Wine :S:

What are your games?

I'm still waiting for an obscure DX10 game Corpse of Discovery to render correctly which it still doesn't in Wine or DXK in spite of the recent successes.

you could file a bug report on the github repo instead of waiting for a game that's probably not known to get fixed by a developer who probably doesnt know about the bug much less the game.

http://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk

or just keep waiting. hard for developers to fix a bug they dont know about