You can now easily run the Epic Store on Linux with Lutris, Epic suggests applying for a grant

Quoting: liamdaweHonestly, I think it's crazy how many people turn their noses up at Wine. I've said it before and I will say it again, without Wine letting me play some games on Linux in the early days I simply wouldn't be here today.

I now take what I can, where I can. If I can get a game working on Linux, officially or not and have fun with it that's what matters most. The majority really don't care about the little details, they just want things to work.

Im a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world. "I take what I can where I can", yeah, we are always "picking up the crumbs from the master's table". Its true the majority wants mindlessly to play video games, but if everyone would be thinking like you, Wine should not exist today.

Wine developers doesnt just take things where they can, they create things. They just dont want to play and use things, they make things to work. What you have said is disrespectful to what you are supposed to defend.

And the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

Quoting: orochi_kyo

Quoting: kneekooMaybe some people don't know or have forgotten that Valve was bad-mouthed in the Linux community before they worked on a Linux client.

Any source of this, because I dont recall anyone on Valve saying "Linux is not good". Now not even Epic is being bad with Linux, they just dont care.

No, the other way around. kneekoo is saying we used to badmouth Valve back before they made a Linux client; the idea is to draw a parallel between how we treated Valve then and how we treat Epic now, and between Valve's conduct since and Epic's hypothetical future conduct. Except I agree with another person who replied to kneekoo--I don't actually remember us doing that. In any case, if we had it sure wouldn't be an argument to treat Epic nicely; clearly if we treated Valve badly back in the day, that worked pretty dashed well.
But there are few parallels between then and now (the only real one being that Linux market share still sucks). In every other way, things are vastly different, largely due to Valve itself. Understanding in gaming circles of how to port things to Linux is much more widespread, barriers to doing so are lower, code tends to be more portable, the idea of doing things in a cross-platform way is much more mainstream. It would be far easier, both conceptually and practically, for Epic to include Linux than it was for Valve back in the day. But Valve at some point decided that Linux, and to some extent the general concept of open platforms, was going to be part of its strategic vision. Epic does not seem to have made such a decision, but instead is going with a pretty closed concept, with all the baggage that tends to go with that. To my mind the exclusives, spying and so on are to some extent not just individual bad features but seem like the outputs of decisions made with a generally Microsoft-esque mind set. I don't like what I'm seeing from Epic.

Quoting: orochi_kyothe reason why Liam is trying to shove Epic through our throats beats me

It's news. He's doing a Linux gaming news site.


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Quoting: orochi_kyo

Quoting: liamdaweHonestly, I think it's crazy how many people turn their noses up at Wine. I've said it before and I will say it again, without Wine letting me play some games on Linux in the early days I simply wouldn't be here today.

I now take what I can, where I can. If I can get a game working on Linux, officially or not and have fun with it that's what matters most. The majority really don't care about the little details, they just want things to work.

Im a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world.

Exaggeration much? But Wine is commonly maligned by hard core Linux users and Liam's comment simply acknowledges that elitism, while rejecting it.

Quoting: orochi_kyoAnd the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

It's a news article that announces new functionality AND suggests that Lutris might be about to get a huge cash injection from Epic... what's not to like??

As for wanting things to work - Liam's comment suggested that the majority just want things to work. It describes me, to be honest, but only the in context that I've made my mind up about Microsoft and Apple. That leaves me with Linux. That's why I use Linux. Having made that decision... yes, I "just want things to work".

As I said earlier, though, I won't be touching anything to do with Epic. I'm not supporting bought exclusives, and anything
a Linux user does decide to buy on their half-assed store will count as a Windows sale. It's shitty for the consumer, it's shitty for Linux and I'm having nothing to do with it.

Quoting: orochi_kyoIm a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world. "I take what I can where I can", yeah, we are always "picking up the crumbs from the master's table". Its true the majority wants mindlessly to play video games, but if everyone would be thinking like you, Wine should not exist today.

Oh give it up, this is completely idiotic. That is not how I presented it, at all. Wine exists for many reasons, partly because people want things to work, on Linux.

Quoting: orochi_kyoWhat you have said is disrespectful to what you are supposed to defend.

Hahahahaha...what?

Quoting: orochi_kyoAnd the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

Ah yes, I want things to work so I shouldn't be using Linux.

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: orochi_kyo

Quoting: liamdaweHonestly, I think it's crazy how many people turn their noses up at Wine. I've said it before and I will say it again, without Wine letting me play some games on Linux in the early days I simply wouldn't be here today.

I now take what I can, where I can. If I can get a game working on Linux, officially or not and have fun with it that's what matters most. The majority really don't care about the little details, they just want things to work.

Im a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world.

Exaggeration much? But Wine is commonly maligned by hard core Linux users and Liam's comment simply acknowledges that elitism, while rejecting it.

Quoting: orochi_kyoAnd the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

It's a news article that announces new functionality AND suggests that Lutris might be about to get a huge cash injection from Epic... what's not to like??

As for wanting things to work - Liam's comment suggested that the majority just want things to work. It describes me, to be honest, but only the in context that I've made my mind up about Microsoft and Apple. That leaves me with Linux. That's why I use Linux. Having made that decision... yes, I "just want things to work".

As I said earlier, though, I won't be touching anything to do with Epic. I'm not supporting bought exclusives, and anything
a Linux user does decide to buy on their half-assed store will count as a Windows sale. It's shitty for the consumer, it's shitty for Linux and I'm having nothing to do with it.

In democracies a majority decides for all (pro voters, opposed voters and those who don't care). Those who don't care, or even don't know about the question, don't vote.
A problem of the market place is that people aren't primarily asked what they think, but what they want to have (plus or minus what they think). Still the majority decides for all, but this time people who don't care, or don't know about, vote pro, especially when there is no other market place offering the item they want to have.
Giving money to the (fine) Lutris people means supporting Linux users who like Epic, who don't care or don't know about possible cons of Epic to support the Epic shop.


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Now, the important: Can I play METRO EXODUS "Out of the box" on Linux via Lutris?

Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoNow, the important: Can I play METRO EXODUS "Out of the box" on Linux via Lutris?

Pretty sure it's gold rated, so if you don't mind being counted as a Windows sale and you don't mind Epic reaping your details, I think the answer is probably "yes".

But actually, checking the reports out, it seems that the answer is actually "no": https://www.protondb.com/app/412020

I wonder what Proton has done differently from Lutris in this case?

Quoting: GuestSource: https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

First phrase, emphasis mine:
"You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason."

Quoting: GuestOh, and Valve can still within that limited time say you're abusing the system and stop offering refunds. I can't go buying 100 random windows-only games and then ask for a refund on all of them. So there are conditions that apply.

So at the end of the day, we as consumers should read the super long wall of texts named EULA/T&C.

But I know, not many people normally read those texts... Unless if you're a lawyer.. :D

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: GuestNope...

"Where Refunds Apply
The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store. Here is an overview of how refunds work with other types of purchases."

Source: https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/

Sure, good luck with 2 hours and 2 seconds in that case.

Well, sure, but your luck on keeping under 2 hours to evaluate is going to be better with games that don't work on Proton versus non-Proton games that run fine but you thought were buggy suckage.