Easy Anti-Cheat are apparently "pausing" their Linux support, which could be a big problem (updated)

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/how-to-be-a-great-advocate-for-a-niche-gaming-platform.12006

Still a great article, many people should bookmark it.

Does really someone develop cheats for Linux?

Perhaps they are pausing, because their responsible devs are working on a Proton solution.

Calm down people. There is really not enough information to get mad at EPIC, Sweeny or whom ever.


Last edited by einherjar on 6 May 2019 at 2:16 pm UTC

Before jumping to conclusions, shouldn't we all go outside and take a good deep breath of fresh air to calm down ? We will have more accurate news later. We will have to wait and be patient.

But that way is less fun! :P

So the only source is a comment from Garry Newman. Saw this article posted on /games with all the extra drama shitshow in the comments. I mean you could have wait for a actual response from EAC for confirmation before people lose their shit in the comment sections and post crazy conspiracy theories...

Really, hardly anyone is losing their shit in the comment sections except the people ranting about "crazy conspiracy theories".

Incidentally, rule of thumb on what is and is not a conspiracy theory: It's not actually about whether you're describing people conspiring or having motivations they aren't disclosing, because both of those things happen a lot and don't in themselves make a theory implausible.
If the theory includes a question mark in the line before "Profit!" it's a conspiracy theory.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 6 May 2019 at 4:17 pm UTC

Epic intentions are only to hit valve hard due to their business policy. That's why they call for exclusives on popular games, they don't give a s..t about linux evolution.
The most probable in their intentions are maximum profits now, so everything related to linux may be dropped by epic and children companies due to revenues, not because they want to kill linux.
Wait and see if rocket league has more linux updates or not..


Last edited by sigz on 6 May 2019 at 4:34 pm UTC

Can't Epic Games just die somewhere lonely in a corner?

Nothing of value would be lost.

So the only source is a comment from Garry Newman. Saw this article posted on /games with all the extra drama shitshow in the comments. I mean you could have wait for a actual response from EAC for confirmation before people lose their shit in the comment sections and post crazy conspiracy theories...

It took EAC a long time to reply to me last time, I am hoping with this circling around they might be quicker and/or reassess Linux support if they actually were pausing it. There's many good reasons for getting info out early, I don't expect everyone to understand this right away.

This sounds like your motivation to publish that soon was at least partially a tiny bit of a personal payback. I guess granting them a few business days to respond would have been a tiny bit more sensible. ;)


Last edited by jens on 6 May 2019 at 7:20 pm UTC

Nothing personal at all don't know where you're getting that idea. I didn't even hint at it.

Edit: And honestly, it's better I get in early than let everyone get their info from YouTubers doing titles on their videos like "Epic, This Is INSANE… | Attacking Valve’s Project PROTON, KILLING Rust On Linux & Damaging Gaming" and yes that's an actual video title.


Last edited by Liam Dawe on 6 May 2019 at 7:44 pm UTC

Nothing personal at all don't know where you're getting that idea. I didn't even hint at it.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought that I had read a tiny bit of disappointment that your earlier question had been initially ignored.

Edit: And honestly, it's better I get in early than let everyone get their info from YouTubers doing titles on their videos like "Epic, This Is INSANE… | Attacking Valve’s Project PROTON, KILLING Rust On Linux & Damaging Gaming" and yes that's an actual video title.

Yeah, sure, I prefer your articles anytime over something like this. I get that timing is not that easy in your business.

For anyone who wants the Sweeney tweet with "... Installing Linux ... moving canada ..." to show that Sweeney doesn't like Linux (not to mention that he hates Linux):

Quoting the tweet directly omits the context!

Regardless of the fact that I don't like the guy for his current actions either, he didn't mention that to make Linux bad. Sweeney has been upset about the limitations (Windows Paywall) that MS is planning for Windows:
-> https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/964043031715467264

In the following he has only taken up the answer of another tweeter to it:

ONE TWO THREE
@_photex_
Time for Linux! or FreeBSD! I don't care, but let's all just start pooling resources and giving our money to these foundations instead.

That one has suggested switching to Linux. And Sweeney then with his answer wanted to say that a change of platform ("(...)Installing Linux is sort ... moving to canada (...)") does not prevent the emerging restrictions under Windows. And that one should defend the currently still "existing freedom" under Windows against the restrictions by Microsoft ("(...) Nope, we've got to fight for the freedoms we have today, (...)").

In context it looks a bit different.


Last edited by KuJo on 6 May 2019 at 8:25 pm UTC

I mean, he just pointed out two related facts.

There is no proof whatsoever that EAC's decision is in anyway related to Epic acquiring them.

Two of the biggest exclusive contracts they got (Metro and Borderlands) had their previous episodes ported to Linux, which obviously means they won't be ported just now (or won't be at all)

Borderlands 2 was ported to Linux a full 2 years after release, so I don't see how this is suddenly a problem about Epic's involvement. Metro Exodus is a 1 year exclusive and Borderlands 3 is a 6 month one.

They advocate the use of Lutris the way id software suggested to improve Wine support: now that we don't care anymore, just help yourself.

They have no immediate plans for a Linux client because they have much bigger priorities, rightly so. In the meantime they are not only suggesting using Lutris, but are also willing to fund Lutris via grants. How is that a bad thing?

But to accuse Liam of flaming... Sounds like "Come on, those damn journalists, can't they keep their mouth shut?" to me...

Perhaps I have different expectations for what that word means, but I don't think it's journalism to post pure unsubstantiated speculation knowing that it will help form a pitchfork mob.

I guess you're right about those points you make. I was just trying to summarize the many ways people can see the situation just now, not really my opinion.
As for "journalism", I guess some like it with more or less subjectivity, in the present case I don't mind though. It's up to people not to overinterpret it, which indeed isn't what people usually do on the internet. In this day and age, a single word can turn into a sharp knife. I really don't think that's what Liam had on his mind when writing.

In context it looks a bit different.

How? The analogy is still absurd. He's still arguing in favor of trying to wrangle a monster into granting you some scraps of freedom in favor of simply using an OS that is inherently free. The "fight for the freedoms we have" bit seems to indicate just how much he takes Windows for granted, and a catastrophic incomprehension of the value of FOSS. I don't see how what he said could be interpreted as anything other than dismissive and ignorant.

So is Epic now enemy #1 of Linux gaming? I mean they are already effectively paying some developers and publishers to not support Linux, and now this?

Epic is the #1 enemy of gaming. Utter scumbags.

Err. You're discussing a years old tweet. You know Sweeney present day stance on windows right?


Last edited by Mal on 7 May 2019 at 7:02 am UTC

You know Sweeney present day stance on windows right?

Yeah, but Microsoft loves Linux, so Epic will soon loves Linux too! And as Windows 10 will soon ship a full Linux kernel and is now promoting their new terminal app featuring various Linux distributions: "if you do not want to come to Canada, Canada will come to you!" ^_^

Err. You're discussing a years old tweet. You know Sweeney present day stance on windows right?

Oof.

Please see this article.

You're making it sound like only the Linux community gets heated. That's very disingenuous and you know it.

When Windows gamers get "heated" the developers don't have the luxury to stop supporting them. That's not the case for Linux. "I want to, but it's not worth the drama" is an exact phrase I've heard.

So you keep saying but without something to show for it, all people will think is you're another armchair expert trying to make themselves sound important. Stop doing it. I'm not trying to be horrible here, seriously, but it's very annoying when people use a line like this, repeatedly, like their opinion is more important than others.

I'm not saying my opinion is more important than yours, it's not, not sure where you got that. I'm just trying to give insight into how developers (particularly indie) tend to see the situation because I've been in that situation. If you don't believe me, that's fine. Maybe you could reach out to some developers who decided against a Linux port and ask them - off the record - their impressions of the community. I bet it won't be sunshines and rainbows.

No i bet not at the same time they should then interview Fereal interactive who would say there market is people who know there shit when it comes to coding and if you treat them like a second class market and dont put in effort into the port they will let you know. Now death threats should never happen over any game because thats just stupid. As for whether you are a game developer or a game q a tester i dont know or care But if you arent stop claiming you are its pointless.