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PayPalNews out of E3 to start the day with, as AMD gave out a lot more details on more exciting hardware coming with the third-generation Ryzen 9 and the Radeon RX 5700.
Let's start with the specifications of their new GPU, the 7nm Radeon RX 5700 which will come in three different models. This is the GPU that will be using their brand new "ground-breaking" RDNA "gaming" architecture and they will be the first to support PCIe 4.0.
- Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition
- 40 compute units, 2,560 stream processors, up to 10.14 TFLOPS, 8GB GDDR6, 1,680MHz base clock + 1,830MHz "game clock" and up to 1,980MHz boost. Price around $499.
- Radeon RX 5700 XT
- 40 compute units, 2,560 stream processors, up to 9.75 TFLOPS, 8GB GDDR6, 1,605MHz base clock + 1,755MHz "game clock" and up to 1,905MHz boost. Priced around $449.
- Radeon RX 5700
- 36 compute units, 2,304 stream processors, up to 7.95 TFLOPS, 8GB GDDR6, 1,465MHz base clock + 1,625MHz "game clock" and up to 1,725MHz boost. Price around $379.
All of which are expected to be available on July 7th.
To go along with that AMD also announced FidelityFX, an open-source developer toolkit that will be up in "the coming weeks" on GPUOpen. AMD say this will make it easier for game developer to make high-quality post-processing effects while balancing performance and looks. This will include "Contrast-Adaptive Sharpening (CAS)" to give detail to low-contrast areas while minimizing artifacts and Unity will be integrating it.
AMD also revealed their latest 3rd generation Ryzen 9 and it sounds like quite the monster with a ridiculous 16 cores:
- Ryzen 9 3950X
- 16/32 cores and threads, 105W TDP, 4.7GHz boost and 3.5GHz base. Price around $749 and it's launching in September.
That's in addition to the previously announced Zen 2 Ryzen 3 models that will be launching next month on July 7th.
You can find those details and more here.
Considering the pricing level and the performance they offer there, it's quite likely my next machine will have an AMD CPU. This is the first time I am truly considering doing it since my early days of computing! Probably not the Ryzen 9 3950X though, more likely the reasonably priced Ryzen 9 3900X which is still a beast.
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Arehandoro 11 Jun 2019
Shit, I'm hyped! Those prices and potential performance has definitely left a mark on me. Will see if i nthe UK prices aren't too inflated and maybe I can upgrade the GPU. Although with the amount of crazy games released on 2020, I'm looking at Keanu Reeves and FF7 here, not sure if it's better wait for that and get something better or with a better price down the line.
Happy to see AMD still embracing open-source and that they are doing well, hopefully sales go along too.
Happy to see AMD still embracing open-source and that they are doing well, hopefully sales go along too.
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Uiiiii, I'm super excited on what their GPUs are capable off if they finaly released and I can study some compute benchmarks.
I don't think it will offer much new in terms of compute performance since they are marketing this solely as "gaming gpu" and they've said that Vega will remain since it's still competitive in compute. If Navi was a compute beast then the marketing pitch wouldn't have been like this.
No one here spooked by the fan on X570 motherboards ? (And their prices)
Apparently the chipsets TDP is quite a bit higher to facilitate all that high speed connectivity with PCIe 4.0. Don't need PCIe 4.0? Then you might be better of with a X470 board which has a lower TDP chipset. Good news is that these new CPU's will work in most older boards but obviously you miss out on PCIe 4.0 and perhaps on RAM-performance as well if you put them in an older board.
Only 105W TDP for their 16C/32T CPU? O_o
Yea, but don't expect much more than ~3.5GHz when stressing all cores. TDP is kept in check by lowering frequency obviously. I fully expect this thing to go way beyond 200W when overclocking on all cores. Still, looks like a beastly CPU. Out of my price range though so I'm sticking with my 1700X.
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Apparently the chipsets TDP is quite a bit higher to facilitate all that high speed connectivity with PCIe 4.0. Don't need PCIe 4.0? Then you might be better of with a X470 board which has a lower TDP chipset. Good news is that these new CPU's will work in most older boards but obviously you miss out on PCIe 4.0 and perhaps on RAM-performance as well if you put them in an older board.Even my "old" X370 board got an update for Matisse recently :D
Yea, but don't expect much more than ~3.5GHz when stressing all cores. TDP is kept in check by lowering frequency obviously. I fully expect this thing to go way beyond 200W when overclocking on all cores. Still, looks like a beastly CPU. Out of my price range though so I'm sticking with my 1700X.Aye. I have no "pressure" to upgrade, so I'm probably going to look for a higher-base-clock-lower-core-count CPU like the 3800X when the prices are going to drop later this year or 2020. On the other hand, the 3700X doesn't look too bad either.
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me also and let's not forget the bugs that 1st gen ryzens had at launch, the gcc bug, the c6 state bug, the IOMMU grouping bug, and gpio bug, some of them it took an year to resolve, so I'll wait no hurry.
Yeah. I certainly remember the gcc bug. AMD replaced my 1800X :-|
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Yep, seems like Navi will be a great generation for AMD. Probably gonna make the switch.
How long does it usually take for the open source driver to handle newly released graphic cards ?
How long does it usually take for the open source driver to handle newly released graphic cards ?
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I don't think it will offer much new in terms of compute performance since they are marketing this solely as "gaming gpu" and they've said that Vega will remain since it's still competitive in compute.
If Navi was a compute beast then the marketing pitch wouldn't have been like this.
Apparently the chipsets TDP is quite a bit higher to facilitate all that high speed connectivity with PCIe 4.0.
Don't need PCIe 4.0? Then you might be better of with a X470 board which has a lower TDP chipset.
Good news is that these new CPU's will work in most older boards but obviously you miss out on PCIe 4.0 and perhaps on RAM-performance as well if you put them in an older board.
Navi is more GCN+ (rdna seems is only a trademark) and tdp seems higher,
I think real change comes with arcturus in 2020
X570 chipset like a crap (because amd dont use 7nm): big, hotter, active dissipation and pci-e 4.0 dont needed for now meanwhile x470 and older chipset dont have this problems
However wait for ddr5 in 2020 because offer higher frecuencies (ddr5 5000mhz or 5200mhz will be nice) and future ryzen must be benefit of ddr5 frecuencies
^_^
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aaand Zen2 got spectre/meltdown hardware mitigations which doesn't turn your cpu into a celeron if you are compiling or doing something else other than gaming.
AMD CPUs don't need meltdown mitigrations and by that won't have any.
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Navi is more GCN+ (rdna seems is only a trademark) and tdp seems higher,
I think real change comes with arcturus in 2020
And that's a advantage for Linux users as it means that AMDGPU DRM won't require huge changes in order to work with the newer hardware (hopefully).
I'll definitely upgrade to a Ryzen 2 CPU this year (my i5 3470k is getting old...), but I'm not sure if I'll go for a 5700 (maybe a Vega, if their prices are reduced)
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And that's a advantage for Linux users as it means that AMDGPU DRM won't require huge changes in order to work with the newer hardware (hopefully).
I'll definitely upgrade to a Ryzen 2 CPU this year (my i5 3470k is getting old...), but I'm not sure if I'll go for a 5700 (maybe a Vega, if their prices are reduced)
GCN must be die for future (good for compute but dont enough in gaming), Arcturus maybe can give better tdp and another improvements
However yes is a big change and needs time, amd devs must be stay working now for when stay ready in 2020
Respect your i5 3470k, if you wait until now maybe must wait until next year because appears ddr5 (higher frecuencies) and in your case needs change memory
And maybe amd have better chipsets with better fabrication node 7nm ?, aka better temperatures (passive cooling) and tdp
^_^
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Yep, seems like Navi will be a great generation for AMD. Probably gonna make the switch.
How long does it usually take for the open source driver to handle newly released graphic cards ?
i dont know. they promised gaming for low price, but the prices are kinda the same compared with the 2060 and 2070
also nvidia will release a newer version of the 20 series, which should be cheaper
even with 7nm they suck a lot of power and have a high TDP
they also say it is for 1440 and 4K gaming, but they only have 8GB VRAM.
i wait for real benchmarks from independent testers
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GCN must be die for future (good for compute but dont enough in gaming), Arcturus maybe can give better tdp and another improvementsNo Arch is made from scratch. So, in the end each new arch is most of the time an iteration of the previous with major improvements. Anyway, what matters for any end user is the performance/price relation (or just performance for the rich people out there), so it's pointless to wait for "the next" if the current gives you the performance jump you need (My two cents).
Respect your i5 3470k, if you wait until now maybe must wait until next year because appears ddr5 (higher frecuencies) and in your case needs change memory
To be fair, newer memory technologies requires a couple of years to settle and they normally doesn't give a real performance jump until latest iterations. So, as I don't have a very recent CPU, there is no point in waiting any longer for me.
And maybe amd have better chipsets with better fabrication node 7nm ?, aka better temperatures (passive cooling) and tdp
^_^
I'll go for a X470 or B450 chipset, so I'll get passive cooling.
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they also say it is for 1440 and 4K gaming, but they only have 8GB VRAM.
8GiB is plenty. I've only got 4GiB, and while it is sometimes borderline, it's still fine for 1440p.
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No one here spooked by the fan on X570 motherboards ? (And their prices)Me.
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they also say it is for 1440 and 4K gaming, but they only have 8GB VRAM.
8GiB is plenty. I've only got 4GiB, and while it is sometimes borderline, it's still fine for 1440p.
for now. but what about games in 2 years?
a 2070 with 8GB for assassins creed in 4K is on its edge
also it would be a selling point. nvidia still has ray tracing and DLSS
navi benchmarks and prices didnt blow my mind and its not like i can say, that my next card will be an AMD again
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navi benchmarks and prices didnt blow my mind and its not like i can say, that my next card will be an AMD again
If you meant for the leaked benchs, those showed that it was slightly better than a 2070. And as the 2070/80 GPU have 8GB of VRAM, there isn't much to choose from both sides in the end (or we have to accept that in two years you will get the same problem on both sides -- still, I disagree with this). By the way, if RT is the selling point, forget about 4K gaming.
Anyway, if you want to game at 4k, you should go for whatever gives you the best performance, so 2080 Ti may be the only real option for now.
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No one here spooked by the fan on X570 motherboards ? (And their prices)
Are you kidding? I just added an 850 watt PSU to my Amazon shopping cart and I'm pulling the trigger Friday. In August I'm buying the ASUS Crosshair 570, whatever 32GB DDR4 quad channel kit is recommended, the 12 core Ryzen 9, a PCIE4.0 1TB NVME, and a few months later I will be topping it off with one of these 5700XTs and an 1440p 32in LG Qdot monitor. This will be my first completely new rig in ten years. My first time in ten years not stuck at 1080p 60hz because I'm using a TV. My first time in ten years that I'm not using an AMD platform PC strictly because it's the only one I can afford but instead because it just plain kicks ass. And I'm upgrading from a PhenomII 960T in a socket AM3 mobo(not even AM3+), so I'm actually going to notice THE DIFFERENCE.
I MIGHT have to recycle a Samsung 840 EVO SSD until some company can get a reliable PCIE4.0 NVME out. BooHoo. II have decided to postpone upgrading to 4K until bare minimum Summer 2020 because the industry just doesn't have that ready yet, either on the GPU side or the monitor side. I haven't decided on the distro yet. I'm torn between PopOS and Fedora30, with F30 being what I'm using right now.
Going to need this machine to edit video for a Youtube channel. Also, I couldn't believe it, but a few of those trailers from E3 other than DOOM Eternal looked like they might be worth trying, especially the stuff from SquareEnix.
So the first thing that I'm going to do is install Mankind Divided, Arkham Knight, Sniper Elite 3+4, the New Wolfensteins, FFX/X-2, and anything else that I haven't installed yet due to some hardware limitation that delivers a completely subpar experience.
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Are you kidding? I just added an 850 watt PSU to my Amazon shopping cart and I'm pulling the trigger Friday. In August I'm buying the ASUS Crosshair 570, whatever 32GB DDR4 quad channel kit is recommended, the 12 core Ryzen 9, a PCIE4.0 1TB NVME, and a few months later I will be topping it off with one of these 5700XTs and an 1440p 32in LG Qdot monitor. This will be my first completely new rig in ten years. My first time in ten years not stuck at 1080p 60hz because I'm using a TV. My first time in ten years that I'm not using an AMD platform PC strictly because it's the only one I can afford but instead because it just plain kicks ass. And I'm upgrading from a PhenomII 960T in a socket AM3 mobo(not even AM3+), so I'm actually going to notice THE DIFFERENCE.
I MIGHT have to recycle a Samsung 840 EVO SSD until some company can get a reliable PCIE4.0 NVME out. BooHoo. II have decided to postpone upgrading to 4K until bare minimum Summer 2020 because the industry just doesn't have that ready yet, either on the GPU side or the monitor side. I haven't decided on the distro yet. I'm torn between PopOS and Fedora30, with F30 being what I'm using right now.
Going to need this machine to edit video for a Youtube channel. Also, I couldn't believe it, but a few of those trailers from E3 other than DOOM Eternal looked like they might be worth trying, especially the stuff from SquareEnix.
So the first thing that I'm going to do is install Mankind Divided, Arkham Knight, Sniper Elite 3+4, the New Wolfensteins, FFX/X-2, and anything else that I haven't installed yet due to some hardware limitation that delivers a completely subpar experience.
Sounds like an awesome setup, especially when you finally get your hands on that PCIe 4.0 SSD :D
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Sounds like an awesome setup, especially when you finally get your hands on that PCIe 4.0 SSD :D
Companies that have announced so far include Gigabyte, PNY, Cosair. Others might join in by August.
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