For those who are wanting to try out Google's Stadia game streaming service, a lot more details are going to be given out soon during Stadia Connect on Thursday.
Google are trying to get ahead of the game, with their event happening before this year's big E3 event. Stadia Connect will be happening on YouTube, which you can follow and set a reminder on this video. They've only teased what they will go over which will include pricing, games, and launch details. It's going to happen at 9AM PDT/6PM CET/5PM BST/4PM UTC.
Missed the big Stadia reveal? As a reminder, it's Google's new cloud gaming service powered by Linux and Vulkan:
I'm still quite excited about the idea of it and the convenience but there's tons of issues that will come with it, I don't want to sound like a broken record on it but they need to be mentioned: zero ownership, massive bandwidth use, if Google go down you lose access to your games (like how Google had a massive outage only recently), probably no modding support and so on.
As for the price, it's pretty much guaranteed to be a subscription service. I reckon, taking into consideration prices from others it will be between £10-20 per month.
For those interested, I will be watching and doing a small write-up of the details like with the original announcement.
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I dont have enough free time to make a subscription gaming service worth it. My hope is that this will drive some more Linux Ports, or at the very least push Vulkan adoption so I can use Proton/Wine.
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It literally doesn't matter that it's using Linux and Vulkan. You're running the game from Google's computers. This is a hard 'no thanks' from me; game streaming is the ULTIMATE walled-garden and DRM scheme.
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Doc Angelo Jun 4, 2019
Quoting: ajgpI dont have enough free time to make a subscription gaming service worth it. My hope is that this will drive some more Linux Ports, or at the very least push Vulkan adoption so I can use Proton/Wine.
I really wish subscriptions services wouldn't be so fixed on monthly prices. What about daily? Or hourly? Even minutes are easy to do. Just pay for whatever you actually play and make fair prices. Why not making certain games €1/hour and some games €0.1/hour. That would be a story intensive short experience and a monster-grinder respectively.
There are so many options, yet the industry is fixed on monthly prices.
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On old computers, laptops, TVs this is a possibility to play AAA games in 1080p.
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Quoting: lqe5433On old computers, laptops, TVs this is a possibility to play AAA games in 1080p.Which is why I've no doubt it will gain traction quite easily, there's a lot of people out there who really don't care about background elements being a little blurry, to be able to pay a small sub and play AAA titles basically anywhere. There's also tons who don't give a crap about DRM, modding and so on. It will find an audience, I've no doubt about it.
For me, I'm curious about it but it likely will never become a major part of my gaming. However, I still think it will really help Vulkan adoption which in the end helps us too.
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Google is a plague. This latest outbreak, Stadia, is just the latest ploy to harvest money and data from its dewy-eyed herd of human ruminants.
In spite of the big "Linux" and "Vulkan" logos in the picture, I've no doubt Google is just going to be using these as resources to be exploited and not as members of the Communities that created them. I remember everyone being all atwitter about Android being based on Linux, too.
Unless Stadia is only going to stream Linux games and only ones that use Vulkan, I just don't see how this is going to end up being anything that will benefit the Linux Gaming Community. Admittedly, time will tell.
Still, until we know more, I'm glad Liam is keeping us abreast of the latest news on Google's latest in utero scam.
Last edited by Nanobang on 4 June 2019 at 12:00 pm UTC
In spite of the big "Linux" and "Vulkan" logos in the picture, I've no doubt Google is just going to be using these as resources to be exploited and not as members of the Communities that created them. I remember everyone being all atwitter about Android being based on Linux, too.
Unless Stadia is only going to stream Linux games and only ones that use Vulkan, I just don't see how this is going to end up being anything that will benefit the Linux Gaming Community. Admittedly, time will tell.
Still, until we know more, I'm glad Liam is keeping us abreast of the latest news on Google's latest in utero scam.
Last edited by Nanobang on 4 June 2019 at 12:00 pm UTC
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legluondunet Jun 4, 2019
The streaming games will soon replace all known games format we know: CD, DVD, digital, consoles...
For the dev/publisher it's an evolution: less support, the game just work for everyone the same way, less development: you develop your game for one platform, the server it is installed on, that's all.
For the gamers it's an evolution too: click and play, the console mind, you don't need to tweak during several hours...no update to install...just play instantly, whatever the platform.
For the dev/publisher it's an evolution: less support, the game just work for everyone the same way, less development: you develop your game for one platform, the server it is installed on, that's all.
For the gamers it's an evolution too: click and play, the console mind, you don't need to tweak during several hours...no update to install...just play instantly, whatever the platform.
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Mohandevir Jun 4, 2019
Peronnally I will probably use Stadia, if the subscription plan is flexible enough, to play games I can't play on my Linux rig. I'm a big fan of the Steam Link app, on my Nvidia Shield which is, by far, the best client I ever tried (and I've tried a lot of them). I'd be really surprised if Stadia was of better quality than that (local streaming vs streaming from internet).
GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!
Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.
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GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!
Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.
Last edited by Mohandevir on 4 June 2019 at 1:12 pm UTC
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slaapliedje Jun 4, 2019
Quoting: MohandevirPeronnally I will probably use Stadia, if the subscription plan is flexible enough, to play games I can't play on my Linux rig. I'm a big fan of the Steam Link app, on my Nvidia Shield which is, by far, the best client I ever tried (and I've tried a lot of them). I'd be really surprised if Stadia was of better quality than that (local streaming vs streaming from internet).Love my Steam Links. They pushed out an update even, not too long ago.
GeForce now is a good alternative for streaming my Steam library from Nvidia's servers, but it seems to run on Windows instances... Yuk!
Now, if Steam could offer something similar to Stadia on a "Stream your Steam library" model. It might ease a part of the 30% cut critics.
I trust Google about as much as I trust a fart not to stink. Wonder if this will just end up like the playstation plus, where you get some free games each month, but have to pay for the subscription plus whichever game you want to not actually own.
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Mountain Man Jun 4, 2019
The only way this thing will succeed is if Google can convince customers that renting software is in the customer's best interest.
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Mountain Man Jun 4, 2019
Quoting: Doc AngeloThe idea is to charge more than what it will cost to serve the average customer. That's where the profit comes from and why allowing the customer to control the pricing will never happen.Quoting: ajgpI dont have enough free time to make a subscription gaming service worth it. My hope is that this will drive some more Linux Ports, or at the very least push Vulkan adoption so I can use Proton/Wine.
I really wish subscriptions services wouldn't be so fixed on monthly prices. What about daily? Or hourly? Even minutes are easy to do. Just pay for whatever you actually play and make fair prices. Why not making certain games €1/hour and some games €0.1/hour. That would be a story intensive short experience and a monster-grinder respectively.
There are so many options, yet the industry is fixed on monthly prices.
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So I am in complete agreement with @Nanobang
Every opportunity google has had to make a proper linux product, it does something insidious with it. they cannot get past data gathering / data monetisation its sickening.
They had the proper opportunity and resources to create a competing desktop linux platform, instead they build chromeos and chromeos is completely useless. They could throw some weight into wayland or even built and released their own version like canonical tried with mir, or worked with mir. In all cases nope instead they went down the selfish route of chromeos, which only they benefit from, it may run on linux but it did nothing to help desktop linux.
Android again does absolutely nothing to help with desktop linux, sure you can develop apps on linux, but can you run those same apps on linux as well ? Is there a native google apps for linux ? Nope, again its completely selfish.
Here now they announce stadia, great it runs on linux using vulkan, but instead of helping current efforts to improve gaming they build their own api, if this ever becomes succesful they will build out their own api make it completely incompatible with anything available on linux, contribute nothing useful back and infact make the situation worse.
Google suck, they have had so many opportunities to actually invest in a proper useful linux desktop platform, they could have either taken gtk or qt / kde and spent a year producing an amazing linux desktop experience and then building and selling custom hardware for it (like their pixel laptop) they could have integrated android apps, created a google drive sync made all of this available for any linux desktop distro and / or user to integrate and sell solutions for the normal novice to get behind, but instead at every opportunity all they can see is monetisation of data, basically they are as bad as microsoft they only use / abuse linux they do nothing useful for us.
Here is the real kicker, chrome was based off of webkit (which apple took from kde konqueror), they then forked from webkit and created blink, is anything from blink useable on kde ? I think not At least when Apple forked from konqueror and created webkit they gave back to the kde community, Google never gives back anything useful, everything gets wrapped into their shitty advertising platform and their shitty data gathering platforms.
Every opportunity google has had to make a proper linux product, it does something insidious with it. they cannot get past data gathering / data monetisation its sickening.
They had the proper opportunity and resources to create a competing desktop linux platform, instead they build chromeos and chromeos is completely useless. They could throw some weight into wayland or even built and released their own version like canonical tried with mir, or worked with mir. In all cases nope instead they went down the selfish route of chromeos, which only they benefit from, it may run on linux but it did nothing to help desktop linux.
Android again does absolutely nothing to help with desktop linux, sure you can develop apps on linux, but can you run those same apps on linux as well ? Is there a native google apps for linux ? Nope, again its completely selfish.
Here now they announce stadia, great it runs on linux using vulkan, but instead of helping current efforts to improve gaming they build their own api, if this ever becomes succesful they will build out their own api make it completely incompatible with anything available on linux, contribute nothing useful back and infact make the situation worse.
Google suck, they have had so many opportunities to actually invest in a proper useful linux desktop platform, they could have either taken gtk or qt / kde and spent a year producing an amazing linux desktop experience and then building and selling custom hardware for it (like their pixel laptop) they could have integrated android apps, created a google drive sync made all of this available for any linux desktop distro and / or user to integrate and sell solutions for the normal novice to get behind, but instead at every opportunity all they can see is monetisation of data, basically they are as bad as microsoft they only use / abuse linux they do nothing useful for us.
Here is the real kicker, chrome was based off of webkit (which apple took from kde konqueror), they then forked from webkit and created blink, is anything from blink useable on kde ? I think not At least when Apple forked from konqueror and created webkit they gave back to the kde community, Google never gives back anything useful, everything gets wrapped into their shitty advertising platform and their shitty data gathering platforms.
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Mountain Man Jun 4, 2019
Quoting: truebluewooSo I am in complete agreement with @NanobangIt's almost like Google is a business that wants to make money. Weird.
Every opportunity google has had to make a proper linux product, it does something insidious with it. they cannot get past data gathering / data monetisation its sickening.
They had the proper opportunity and resources to create a competing desktop linux platform, instead they build chromeos and chromeos is completely useless. They could throw some weight into wayland or even built and released their own version like canonical tried with mir, or worked with mir. In all cases nope instead they went down the selfish route of chromeos, which only they benefit from, it may run on linux but it did nothing to help desktop linux.
Android again does absolutely nothing to help with desktop linux, sure you can develop apps on linux, but can you run those same apps on linux as well ? Is there a native google apps for linux ? Nope, again its completely selfish.
Here now they announce stadia, great it runs on linux using vulkan, but instead of helping current efforts to improve gaming they build their own api, if this ever becomes succesful they will build out their own api make it completely incompatible with anything available on linux, contribute nothing useful back and infact make the situation worse.
Google suck, they have had so many opportunities to actually invest in a proper useful linux desktop platform, they could have either taken gtk or qt / kde and spent a year producing an amazing linux desktop experience and then building and selling custom hardware for it (like their pixel laptop) they could have integrated android apps, created a google drive sync made all of this available for any linux desktop distro and / or user to integrate and sell solutions for the normal novice to get behind, but instead at every opportunity all they can see is monetisation of data, basically they are as bad as microsoft they only use / abuse linux they do nothing useful for us.
Here is the real kicker, chrome was based off of webkit (which apple took from kde konqueror), they then forked from webkit and created blink, is anything from blink useable on kde ? I think not At least when Apple forked from konqueror and created webkit they gave back to the kde community, Google never gives back anything useful, everything gets wrapped into their shitty advertising platform and their shitty data gathering platforms.
OK, I'm being slightly tongue in cheek. I don't trust Google, and I don't like their way of doing business, but unfortunately, the "Linux way" of free software (as in speech and in some cases beer) does not lead to untold riches. It's why companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google continue to dominate with their anti-consumer lock-in business strategy while Canonical and Red Hat are small peanuts in comparison.
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Quoting: DesumIt literally doesn't matter that it's using Linux and Vulkan. You're running the game from Google's computers. This is a hard 'no thanks' from me; game streaming is the ULTIMATE walled-garden and DRM scheme.It literally doesn't matter to an individual player. It matters in terms of spread and dominance of technologies. I'm not gonna use it either, but if every dev under the sun is used to using Linux and Vulkan to develop for Stadia, that's going to have an impact on things. And if every game under the sun gets a Vulkan build because it's going to need one for Stadia anyway, why not just use Vulkan for Windows too? If this service is pretty successful, it could be the tipping point in the question of whether Vulkan or DirectX12 dominates. That in itself is probably a side benefit for Google, who are probably on average happy any time a Microsoft technology fails to take hold.
Mind you, if it's too successful there are some serious drawbacks to that.
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I agree, if anything, Stadia can help drive DX into oblivion. Developers will start demanding Vulkan everywhere.
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Quoting: legluondunetThe streaming games will soon replace all known games format we know: CD, DVD, digital, consoles...Publishers of computer stuff, from OSes to whatever, have been trying to move to subscription models for years and have often ended up either pulling back at the last moment or breaking themselves on the rock of consumer rejection. And that's without games' issues with bandwidth and latency.
For the dev/publisher it's an evolution: less support, the game just work for everyone the same way, less development: you develop your game for one platform, the server it is installed on, that's all.
For the gamers it's an evolution too: click and play, the console mind, you don't need to tweak during several hours...no update to install...just play instantly, whatever the platform.
I guess the question is, are computer games more like other computer stuff or more like movies and music?
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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI guess the question is, are computer games more like other computer stuff or more like movies and music?
Well, the steps needed from movies to interactive movies to gaming are not that big ;)
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Quoting: NanobangGoogle is a plague. This latest outbreak, Stadia, is just the latest ploy to harvest money and data from its dewy-eyed herd of human ruminants.
In spite of the big "Linux" and "Vulkan" logos in the picture, I've no doubt Google is just going to be using these as resources to be exploited and not as members of the Communities that created them. I remember everyone being all atwitter about Android being based on Linux, too.
Unless Stadia is only going to stream Linux games and only ones that use Vulkan, I just don't see how this is going to end up being anything that will benefit the Linux Gaming Community. Admittedly, time will tell.
Still, until we know more, I'm glad Liam is keeping us abreast of the latest news on Google's latest in utero scam.
Yeah, boo on Google for providing a service that people might enjoy and want to pay for and if happens to be a success it's only because people are not as smart or hip as you.
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Quoting: F.UltraLots of things in the world are a success because people aren't as smart as me. Spam, f'rinstance.Quoting: NanobangGoogle is a plague. (snippage)
Yeah, boo on Google for providing a service that people might enjoy and want to pay for and if happens to be a success it's only because people are not as smart or hip as you.
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