Google to reveal Stadia pricing, games, launch info and more on Thursday

Quoting: Doc Angelo

Quoting: ajgpI dont have enough free time to make a subscription gaming service worth it. My hope is that this will drive some more Linux Ports, or at the very least push Vulkan adoption so I can use Proton/Wine.

I really wish subscriptions services wouldn't be so fixed on monthly prices. What about daily? Or hourly? Even minutes are easy to do. Just pay for whatever you actually play and make fair prices. Why not making certain games €1/hour and some games €0.1/hour. That would be a story intensive short experience and a monster-grinder respectively.

There are so many options, yet the industry is fixed on monthly prices.

The idea is to charge more than what it will cost to serve the average customer. That's where the profit comes from and why allowing the customer to control the pricing will never happen.

So I am in complete agreement with @Nanobang

Every opportunity google has had to make a proper linux product, it does something insidious with it. they cannot get past data gathering / data monetisation its sickening.

They had the proper opportunity and resources to create a competing desktop linux platform, instead they build chromeos and chromeos is completely useless. They could throw some weight into wayland or even built and released their own version like canonical tried with mir, or worked with mir. In all cases nope instead they went down the selfish route of chromeos, which only they benefit from, it may run on linux but it did nothing to help desktop linux.

Android again does absolutely nothing to help with desktop linux, sure you can develop apps on linux, but can you run those same apps on linux as well ? Is there a native google apps for linux ? Nope, again its completely selfish.

Here now they announce stadia, great it runs on linux using vulkan, but instead of helping current efforts to improve gaming they build their own api, if this ever becomes succesful they will build out their own api make it completely incompatible with anything available on linux, contribute nothing useful back and infact make the situation worse.

Google suck, they have had so many opportunities to actually invest in a proper useful linux desktop platform, they could have either taken gtk or qt / kde and spent a year producing an amazing linux desktop experience and then building and selling custom hardware for it (like their pixel laptop) they could have integrated android apps, created a google drive sync made all of this available for any linux desktop distro and / or user to integrate and sell solutions for the normal novice to get behind, but instead at every opportunity all they can see is monetisation of data, basically they are as bad as microsoft they only use / abuse linux they do nothing useful for us.

Here is the real kicker, chrome was based off of webkit (which apple took from kde konqueror), they then forked from webkit and created blink, is anything from blink useable on kde ? I think not At least when Apple forked from konqueror and created webkit they gave back to the kde community, Google never gives back anything useful, everything gets wrapped into their shitty advertising platform and their shitty data gathering platforms.

Quoting: truebluewooSo I am in complete agreement with @Nanobang

Every opportunity google has had to make a proper linux product, it does something insidious with it. they cannot get past data gathering / data monetisation its sickening.

They had the proper opportunity and resources to create a competing desktop linux platform, instead they build chromeos and chromeos is completely useless. They could throw some weight into wayland or even built and released their own version like canonical tried with mir, or worked with mir. In all cases nope instead they went down the selfish route of chromeos, which only they benefit from, it may run on linux but it did nothing to help desktop linux.

Android again does absolutely nothing to help with desktop linux, sure you can develop apps on linux, but can you run those same apps on linux as well ? Is there a native google apps for linux ? Nope, again its completely selfish.

Here now they announce stadia, great it runs on linux using vulkan, but instead of helping current efforts to improve gaming they build their own api, if this ever becomes succesful they will build out their own api make it completely incompatible with anything available on linux, contribute nothing useful back and infact make the situation worse.

Google suck, they have had so many opportunities to actually invest in a proper useful linux desktop platform, they could have either taken gtk or qt / kde and spent a year producing an amazing linux desktop experience and then building and selling custom hardware for it (like their pixel laptop) they could have integrated android apps, created a google drive sync made all of this available for any linux desktop distro and / or user to integrate and sell solutions for the normal novice to get behind, but instead at every opportunity all they can see is monetisation of data, basically they are as bad as microsoft they only use / abuse linux they do nothing useful for us.

Here is the real kicker, chrome was based off of webkit (which apple took from kde konqueror), they then forked from webkit and created blink, is anything from blink useable on kde ? I think not At least when Apple forked from konqueror and created webkit they gave back to the kde community, Google never gives back anything useful, everything gets wrapped into their shitty advertising platform and their shitty data gathering platforms.

It's almost like Google is a business that wants to make money. Weird.

OK, I'm being slightly tongue in cheek. I don't trust Google, and I don't like their way of doing business, but unfortunately, the "Linux way" of free software (as in speech and in some cases beer) does not lead to untold riches. It's why companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google continue to dominate with their anti-consumer lock-in business strategy while Canonical and Red Hat are small peanuts in comparison.

Quoting: DesumIt literally doesn't matter that it's using Linux and Vulkan. You're running the game from Google's computers. This is a hard 'no thanks' from me; game streaming is the ULTIMATE walled-garden and DRM scheme.

It literally doesn't matter to an individual player. It matters in terms of spread and dominance of technologies. I'm not gonna use it either, but if every dev under the sun is used to using Linux and Vulkan to develop for Stadia, that's going to have an impact on things. And if every game under the sun gets a Vulkan build because it's going to need one for Stadia anyway, why not just use Vulkan for Windows too? If this service is pretty successful, it could be the tipping point in the question of whether Vulkan or DirectX12 dominates. That in itself is probably a side benefit for Google, who are probably on average happy any time a Microsoft technology fails to take hold.

Mind you, if it's too successful there are some serious drawbacks to that.

I agree, if anything, Stadia can help drive DX into oblivion. Developers will start demanding Vulkan everywhere.

Quoting: legluondunetThe streaming games will soon replace all known games format we know: CD, DVD, digital, consoles...
For the dev/publisher it's an evolution: less support, the game just work for everyone the same way, less development: you develop your game for one platform, the server it is installed on, that's all.
For the gamers it's an evolution too: click and play, the console mind, you don't need to tweak during several hours...no update to install...just play instantly, whatever the platform.

Publishers of computer stuff, from OSes to whatever, have been trying to move to subscription models for years and have often ended up either pulling back at the last moment or breaking themselves on the rock of consumer rejection. And that's without games' issues with bandwidth and latency.
I guess the question is, are computer games more like other computer stuff or more like movies and music?

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI guess the question is, are computer games more like other computer stuff or more like movies and music?

Well, the steps needed from movies to interactive movies to gaming are not that big ;)

Quoting: NanobangGoogle is a plague. This latest outbreak, Stadia, is just the latest ploy to harvest money and data from its dewy-eyed herd of human ruminants.

In spite of the big "Linux" and "Vulkan" logos in the picture, I've no doubt Google is just going to be using these as resources to be exploited and not as members of the Communities that created them. I remember everyone being all atwitter about Android being based on Linux, too.

Unless Stadia is only going to stream Linux games and only ones that use Vulkan, I just don't see how this is going to end up being anything that will benefit the Linux Gaming Community. Admittedly, time will tell.

Still, until we know more, I'm glad Liam is keeping us abreast of the latest news on Google's latest in utero scam.

Yeah, boo on Google for providing a service that people might enjoy and want to pay for and if happens to be a success it's only because people are not as smart or hip as you.

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: NanobangGoogle is a plague. (snippage)

Yeah, boo on Google for providing a service that people might enjoy and want to pay for and if happens to be a success it's only because people are not as smart or hip as you.

Lots of things in the world are a success because people aren't as smart as me. Spam, f'rinstance.

Like a lot of people here , don't trust google.
They have a bad rap and like many hav echoed before it remains to be seen if this move actually helps Linux or not.