Update: Canonical are now saying 32bit libraries will be "frozen" and not entirely dropped.
Original article:
Things are starting to get messy, after Canonical announced the end of 32bit support from Ubuntu 19.10 onwards, Valve have now responded.
Speaking on Twitter, Valve dev Pierre-Loup Griffais said:
Ubuntu 19.10 and future releases will not be officially supported by Steam or recommended to our users. We will evaluate ways to minimize breakage for existing users, but will also switch our focus to a different distribution, currently TBD.
I'm starting to think we might see a sharp U-turn from Canonical, as this is something that would hit them quite hard. Either way, the damage has been done.
I can't say I am surprised by Valve's response here. Canonical pretty clearly didn't think it through enough on how it would affect the desktop. It certainly seems like Canonical also didn't speak to enough developers first.
Perhaps this will give Valve a renewed focus on SteamOS? Interestingly, Valve are now funding some work on KWin (part of KDE).
Looks like I shall be distro hopping very soon…
To journalists from other websites reading: This does not mean the end of Linux support, Ubuntu is just one distribution.
I do understand Valve's decision here, though. They need 32 bit support because of their immense game library on Steam, and I get why they don't want to offer official support for any OS ditching 32 bit.
Still. Will follow this one, want to see what happens here. I'm sure we'll be fine and we'll still have a working steam, I've been on Arch Linux which isn't supported all this time and it's been working great for me. But still interested in where this will lead.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sysrich/status/1142363021605580801
Quoting: MicromegasInteresting twitter replies right now from OpenSUSE Chairman Richard Brown to Pierre-Loup Griffais from Valve, pitching a cooperation between Valve and OpenSUSE.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sysrich/status/1142363021605580801
one of the few distros i have no experience with, but the idea of a tumbleweed with almost-support from steam sounds nice for probably not a few gamers. hmm.. :3 this is so interesting
edit: and i've gotta add, after all of the effort cannonical has put into things they only scrap after they're 90% working, this attempt to save effort is... one i would not believe a word of if this was april 1st. i'm uhh... just sayin, what entertainment.
Last edited by doomiebaby on 22 June 2019 at 10:10 am UTC
If they don't, then I have a proposal regarding Debian, SteamOS and those type of things:
Most of the reasons that new people jumped on Ubuntu was ease of installation and newer software than regular Debian. However, if you use Debian 'testing' as a basis for an up-to-date and beginner-friendly Linux, and work on a clean, easy-to-use installer but retain all of the usual Debian software and package management behind the scenes.
I guess Mint Linux is a bit like that, but Mint seems to strike out a bit and do their own thing. I'm talking about staying very true to the Debian back-end (basically, identical to Debian) but just put user-friendly installer front-end and more-sensible default config onto it. I'd possibly call it Debian: Gamer's Edition or Debian: Beginner's Edition or just rename it completely, but ensure it is Debian under the hood.
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I hope this damage to the Linux ecosystem can be averted, by sensible decisions and good communication, from this point onwards.
If support for 32bit libs had been ended a while ago, we wouldn't be in this situation today.
The easy availability of 32bit libraries is pushing app developers to distribute 32bit executables, which needs to stop.
On the other hand, steam could ship with the whole 32bit runtime, as needed, and it would make for less breakage (see flatpak).
But I agree that this could have been handled a bit more gradually. First deprecate it and print a warning when opening/installing an application for the first time. Then move multilib packages to a disabled-by-defaut source. Then to a PPA. Then remove it.
Quoting: MicromegasInteresting twitter replies right now from OpenSUSE Chairman Richard Brown to Pierre-Loup Griffais from Valve, pitching a cooperation between Valve and OpenSUSE.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sysrich/status/1142363021605580801
This would be full circle for me as Suse was my first foray into Linux 20yrs ago :)
Quoting: ThormackIf it happens, I hope they choose Debian as the new default supported distro.
Not really a fan of the RedHat distros.
Absolute fan of Fedora and Arch.
So for Steam/Valve I'd love to see them opting for Fedora.
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