Debian 10 "Buster" has finally been released

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: dvd

Quoting: fagnerln

Quoting: ThormackThe new Steam officially supported distro just launched.
Awesome.



(Just a speculation, for now...)

Nah, I don't think so.

There's a lot things to do after the installation. IMO they will support a more friendly distro, preferably with a corporation behind, like OpenSUSE or Fedora

Maybe they create a new distro for desktop use based on Debian.

I don't see where people get the impression that Ubuntu is more 'user friendly'. Nothing says that better than their python based installer that regularly crashes at the partitioning step with a bunch of exceptions that are surely easier to read for the average user than plain language.

Because the average used does not use whatever advanced setting that you are using that are causing those crashes. They will simply click "next" all the way. And once they have done so they will have a fully working desktop, and if they need further customization or changes then the Internet is full of blogs and nice looking guides for how to do this in Ubuntu.

That is why.

It is reasonable to expect that people with laptops that do anything but video games (like banking or job emails) on their computers want some kind of FDE (fake or not) on their hard drives. This is something that the ubuntu installer regurarly crashed on for me every time i tried to install it on my laptop.

Quoting: MadVillain

Quoting: ThormackThe new Steam officially supported distro just launched.
Awesome.

(Just a speculation, for now...)

Lately I tried to switch from LM to LMDE and I switched back the next day, because pretty much nothing worked.
It was a pain in the ass to even launch Steam and none of the games worked.
Also, the latest Nvidia drivers are not available for Debian.
If you look at protondb reports, you will see that most of "platinum" and "gold" reports come from either Ubuntu, LM or Manjaro.
So I don't think that Valve will give up on Ubuntu that easily.
Especially with Canonical backtracking on their statements.

The Nvidia driver that is in the non-free repos is two months old. If that's not good enough, i don't know what is. Your troubles with steam may have to do with you doing a "tricky" install and/or using nvidia - they are not the most linux-friendly company around. (Also, before crying wolf you should also check steam on something like gnome ore kde, on which it is probably tested, i don't think they test it on blackbox and the likes. They usually omit many dependencies that steam needs too)

Quoting: MadVillainLately I tried to switch from LM to LMDE and I switched back the next day, because pretty much nothing worked.
It was a pain in the ass to even launch Steam and none of the games worked.

I can't comment about LMDE, but installing and running steam and Nvidia drivers on Debian is some simple commands:
https://ein-eike.de/2016/08/28/how-to-install-steam-and-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-jessie/

Quoting: MadVillainAlso, the latest Nvidia drivers are not available for Debian.

AFAICS, the latest drivers from Nvidia are 430.26, while the latest Nvidia drivers packaged by Debian are 430.26. (Don't let yourself fool by the word "experimental". That's not more experimental than Arch, some PPA or whatever.)

Quoting: dvdThe Nvidia driver that is in the non-free repos is two months old. If that's not good enough, i don't know what is. Your troubles with steam may have to do with you doing a "tricky" install and/or using nvidia - they are not the most linux-friendly company around. (Also, before crying wolf you should also check steam on something like gnome ore kde, on which it is probably tested, i don't think they test it on blackbox and the likes. They usually omit many dependencies that steam needs too)

The latest drivers I found for Debian is 390.48. Also, they are way harder to install than on LM. On LM I just add PPA and install them via driver manager, but on Debian I have to install everything manually and often it goes wrong.
After installing drivers I had a problem with Steam not launching because of some missing libraries (seems to be driver-related) and of course I had to manually install those too.
Then, after Steam finally launched I tried to start some games via Steam Play and they all didn't start for different reasons. I kinda gave up on that step because everything Wine-related is too complicated for me.

So, what I'm trying to say, there is probably a lot of work for Valve if they want support Debian as a main platform without giving users "DIY" headache.

Quoting: DesumI've been hearing conflicting information about Mint's plans regarding LMDE. Anyone know if they intend to continue giving it releases (perhaps with renewed interest from Canonical's recent blunder)?

Linux Mint Cinnamon, Xfce, MATE and LMDE are all continuing. And Clem has reconfirmed multiple times that 32bit libraries will be sticking around as well. For now they're mostly holding steady and watching what Ubuntu does, but if Ubuntu ever breaks compatibility with Wine/Steam in the future, they'll work around that so it doesn't affect Linux Mint. At least that's the jist of what Clem has said on the matter.

Quoting: MadVillainThe latest drivers I found for Debian is 390.48.

This is the best place to look:
https://packages.debian.org/de/experimental/nvidia-driver
You can click through the releases on the upper right, but if you want the latest, "experimental" is fine.

Quoting: MadVillainAlso, they are way harder to install than on LM. On LM I just add PPA and install them via driver manager, but on Debian I have to install everything manually and often it goes wrong.

In Debian, you're also adding the repository to the sources (once in a lifetime), and then you're doing
sudo apt-get -t experimental[or whatever Debian suite you want to use at the moment] install nvidia-driver
That's it.

Quoting: MadVillainAfter installing drivers I had a problem with Steam not launching because of some missing libraries (seems to be driver-related) and of course I had to manually install those too.

When you have it setup once correctly, the above command and a reboot is all you need.


Last edited by Eike on 8 July 2019 at 12:24 pm UTC

Quoting: EikeI can't comment about LMDE, but installing and running steam and Nvidia drivers on Debian is some simple commands:
https://ein-eike.de/2016/08/28/how-to-install-steam-and-nvidia-drivers-on-debian-jessie/

AFAICS, the latest drivers from Nvidia are 430.26, while the latest Nvidia drivers packaged by Debian are 430.26. (Don't let yourself fool by the word "experimental". That's not more experimental than Arch, some PPA or whatever.)

I see. Guess I will try it again later. Thank you.


Last edited by MadVillain on 8 July 2019 at 8:19 am UTC

Quoting: MadVillainI see. Guess I will try it later again. Thank you.

I don't want to persuade anybody to use Debian.
But I feel it is less hard and less outdated than people think.

Quoting: EikeFor those who don't care about the latest software, but might need a current graphics driver or kernel, there will be a buster-backports repository (like an official PPA, if you will).

Problem: I always quit the debian install for another distro 'cause those kernels coming from ages! How to get bugs and materials working with such delay on kernel! I'm pretty sure solutions exist to get those materials working (last example: a small Pc based on intel https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/128990/intel-pentium-silver-n5000-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-70-ghz.html -> no way to make it working -network and intel gpu-)

Solution? My two cents: I would love debian to launch two different distros: one with current-recent-running kernels and updates (at our own risks, I have the chance to store all my important data on a NAS, so I would take it) and the stable one.

problem2: As says F.Ultra, getting help on a debian install on the internet with few skills on this distro is like trying to have help with no money in another-speaking (and non-spoke) unfriendly country: no avaialble document readable directly, and when asking, either no answer or someone barking at you that you should have bought another materials

Quoting: Geppeto35Problem: I always quit the debian install for another distro 'cause those kernels coming from ages! How to get bugs and materials working with such delay on kernel! I'm pretty sure solutions exist to get those materials working (last example: a small Pc based on intel https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/128990/intel-pentium-silver-n5000-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-70-ghz.html -> no way to make it working -network and intel gpu-)

I'm not sure if I understand the problem. Is the installer failing due to not supporting the hardware because it's too old? Or does installing work and you would like newer drivers in the running system?

If you've got hardware needing non-FLOSS drivers, there's a "non-free" installer for that.